To be glad that #IStandWithAngelaCarini is trending no.1 in the UK on X (Twitter)

[AngeloMysterioso]

Angela Carini is the incredibly brave Italian boxer who had her Olympic dream shattered in less than a minute after being punched in the face by Imane Khelif, a male competitor who was disqualified from the women’s World Championships last year because his testosterone levels were too high.
Everyone should be saying her name. Over and over and over again.

XY is male pronouns he/him. This individual has XY chromosomes so the pronouns used match this. It's biology.

It doesn’t matter when someone finds out they have XY chromosomes. If you know yet still choose to enter the ring in a violent sport where you have an unfair advantage then it’s wrong. Point blank period.

No criteria reported but maybe testosterone as BBC reported.
It was NOT testosterone, it was a chromosomal test. Read the IBA statement.

Perhaps also read the Olympic Committees statement too. They accepted this man to be a woman because they had F in their passport. Yes, passport.

@miniaturepixieonacid if he really didn't know it's very sad for him but he should not have gone in to compete against women after finding out.

Also have you seen the video or a photo? He is clearly male. I doubt very much he didn't know that he wasn't a natal woman

If Khelif was female and was training for the Olympics and contracted polio then Khelif would have to give up on their Olympic dreams, the whole set up of sport wouldn't be reorganized to enable them to compete. It would be tragic and sad but they would have to face up to the facts and the material reality of the situation. The same should apply if the diagnosis is a DSD.

exactly this - why do people have to make their point in such an unnecessarily cruel way??
can't we have empathy for people while still believing they shouldn't compete? No one chose their chromosomes right? I dont think she should compete in boxing, but im not going to deny her compassion and decency

And to those few posters who continue to suggest that she has "decided to be woman"/transitioned - go and actually find out what has happened, she is not trans! you cant simultaneously hold a strong opinion and also be lacking in any knowledge of this situation! (just in advance of any challenges on this - the vast majority of posts do know the difference between DSD/chromosome dysregulation and transness, so this isnt a widely aimed comment)

And it’s ridiculously offensive to keep referring to an XY as a “she”. He’s a man. Like it or not, Y chromosomes are male.

I don’t have sympathy for anyone who discovers they have such an unfair advantage and still chooses to punch a woman. Theres a name for people like that.

@Helleofabore
Sorry that happened/delighted for you, whatever. I’m not reading all of that.

If you want to be educational, link the definitive evidence report on Khelif being male and I’ll take the point.

How did she "win" exactly? Angela Carini had to withdraw for her own personal safety.
That's not winning in my book. An individual with XY chromosomes wanting to get into a boxing ring & punch females is certainly not a winner in this world.

That is an excellent analogy.

But they have chosen to be female in this case have they not?
They could’ve competed fairly, in a category of opponents who share the same chromosomes and biological makeup. But they didn’t. Khelif, knowing the difference between themself and Angela Carini still chose to compete against her

But sex matters. It matters here because if we cannot correctly state the sex of a person we end up in this situation where a male person with all the advantages over female people is allowed to compete in the category segregated specifically for people of the female sex.

So we have a male person punching a female person which could lead to serious injury, brain damage or actual death of the female person.

You may feel it's unkind and hurtful to tell the truth here but it really, really matters.

And where is the equal kindness towards females in obfuscating the language which has contributed to leading us down this path? Well it's very noticeable in it's absence isn't it?

I mean who really cares that female people have been bumped out of a place in the Olympics, right? Who really cares that a female could end up really, very badly hurt or worse, right?

What's important is that we muddle words until they have no basis in reality and no meaning to preserve the feelings of males... right?

It's a cruelty towards women & girls, to all females to do this. But be kind because reasons.

Like others I have the utmost sympathy for those who believed they were one sex and later found out they were in fact another. I have utmost sympathy for people living in cultures that are regressive about sex and homosexuality. I have zero sympathy for males who knowingly cheat, who continue to knowingly cheat even after presented factual, medical proof that they are male.

I have nothing but contempt for males who know they are male punching women in any circumstance. That is just VAWG.

These two boxers know they are male, it has been proven to them. They know and yet are still happy to literally punch down on women. Their feelings don't really matter here. Reality does matter. Sex matters.

#I stand with Angela Carini.

On 24 March 2023, IBA disqualified athletes Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif from the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships New Delhi 2023. This disqualification was a result of their failure to meet the eligibility criteria for participating in the women’s competition, as set and laid out in the IBA Regulations. This decision, made after a meticulous review, was extremely important and necessary to uphold the level of fairness and utmost integrity of the competition.

Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors.

www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/

HTH.

No criteria reported but maybe testosterone as BBC reported.

The BBC is careful to say that they're repeating the IOC line. The IBA have categorically stated it wasn't testosterone, which would mean it was genetic. Even if it was testosterone women don't generally have male levels unless they're doping or have certain illnesses. Or are male, which is the Occams Razor answer here.

Male Violence Aganst Women is now an olympic sport

This will all end in tears, one day there’ll be a poor girl losing their life to this utter batshit nonsense because we can’t hurt the feelings of men who think they’re ladies.

How about having empathy for the female boxer who has had her dreams and nose shattered due to a public battering from a male with a vag. Where's your sympathy for her?

WTAF! you can't be arsed to read it? So, perhaps you should therefore stop posting misinformed opinions as if they are fact.

And I have already posted the IBA report on this and other threads. You are obviously too lazy to read the thread, and from your flippant reply, you are too lazy to read much at all.

@Helleofabore go on to bed

How long have they been actively training in the sport, that might be a clue. It's entirely possible that they're just not very skilled at it (hence the losses) yet their male biology gives them an overall strength and physiological advantage to land blows.

I can't find very much at all about their biography and trajectory in the sport which is unusual for Olympians. What age did they start training for example. Does no-one find it unusual that a young female was encouraged to take up boxing in rural Algeria? It's not authorised by Islam (they identify as Muslim). I find it hard to believe they were able to find a willing trainer and facility in the adjacent village (not larger town or city) and everyone was perfectly accepting of this. I can't find any source other than Wikipedia which is obviously easy to edit.

It sounds like they only took up the sport after they'd gone through male puberty which is suspicious. If they began before puberty I'm even more doubtful. Who would be encouraging a young girl to train as a boxer in a strict Muslim rural region? They've mentioned their parents weren't on board. It would bring shame on their family and the coaches would lose respect and potentially their livelihood.

Not only just balls as evidenced by the photos shared on here.

Remember anyone can update a wiki page.

I find it a very far fetched story myself.

Me too.