Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

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How and where will the government get the money from I wonder?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqe82lk5g5o

Junior doctors deserve it IMO I know two whose work schedule would finish off most of us.

I will, however, be seriously pissed off if GPs demand the same. Getting in to see one ftf is impossible I've had seven months of monthly phone calls being prescribed medication that didn't work. TWICE!!! I've found the solution on Mumsnet and suggested the GP prescribed that. After six months they did.

The other issue I sorted with the pharmacist after standing my ground . Again fixed.

We've 12 GPs all working part time, some doing private work, some doing police headquarters work, one an out of hours GP attached to the hospital trust.

They're topping up their income elsewhere so nope don't deserve a pay rise.

This is for Junior doctors whose pay is pitiful for their level of responsibility and training Not consultants.* *

I think we can safely say this is where the £20bn 'black hole' has materialised from.
Don't get me wrong, I do think that junior doctors deserve a pay rise, however I think in the current financial crisis it is unreasonable to ask the public purse to pick up such a large bill and don't forget, other public servants are also in line for a 5.5% pay rise too.
It will be interesting to see what Rachel Reeves has to say this afternoon. I'm sure the movers and shakers are working overtime to spin this!

They had to do something to end the strikes which are crippling the health service and are costing them loads of money paying for cover not to mention the productivity lost from cancelled ops. It would be a false economy not to give them a decent pay rise and to then have strike action dragging on. If they refuse this offer, which is clearly more than decent, they will lose public sympathy I think. The offer needs to be high enough that it is unreasonable to refuse it. It does set a precedent though...

They are paid too much to start with, it's funny about how people moan about inequality yet when people who are paid more than average get a pay rise, thus increasing inequality, it's somehow a good thing?

Why do you think they’re topping up their income elsewhere? It must be one of the most thankless jobs in the world being a GP. Constant moaning, repeat patients who don’t look after themselves, referrals that are jammed in a broken system, genuinely poorly people unable to get appointments. I don’t blame them for not wanting to do it full time.

I’m not sure paying GPs even less will help the sector.

A lot of doctors do 80% hours to ensure they are still eligible for free hours childcare etc - they could fix that and make full time hours more attractive.

I know it’s Jr Doctors, and thanks for missing the message.
Medics bring poor and underpaid is a career long complaint. Just making sure everyone knows that they are not paid enough.

Sone junior doctors are on the equivalent of £14 per hour. You can get nearly £16 a hour working in Sainsburys. Surely there has to be a monetary reward for being highly skilled??

Yep!

How much should they be paid?

If you cut public sector pension - the majority will leave. I'm a public sector worker, and could get £20-30K more for my job in the private sector. Literally the only reason I'm staying is the flexi working (main responsible parent) and the pension. If the pension goes, there's no incentive to stay as the cost of childcare would be far less than the increase of salary I'd get moving private.

If anything public sector as a whole needs bringing up to private sector salary levels.

You know that most junior Drs 'grow up' to be GPs don't you? I guess they must somehow lose their work ethic on the way

Also does police work and out of hours work not need doing by someone appropriately qualified? Who else should be doing it?

The partners income is guaranteed. I know two personally who do three days a week. Their children are in private day school they have homes in the millionaires row of our town and own homes abroad. The other two days working elsewhere is the icing on the cake.

Employed GPs who haven't bought into a partnership are less well off that I do agree.

They aren't getting that much more than was offered in the final talks by the Conservatives.

But it's all political and BMA (very lefty organisation) wanted to hold out for Labour.

I agree they should get more pay.

I also agree that £zillions is wasted on things in the NHS like a £90K salary for a diversity 'trainer'.

And postage for snail mail.
And not using IT.

And having far too many mid grade admin staff who retire early on gold plated pensions. (How often do we see here on MN posters saying 'Oh I retired from the NHS at 50 on a really good pension.) Far in excess of anything in the private sector.

Pensions are never mentioned at all in NHS pay packages yet they are generous to a fault and increase their packages by a huge amount.

There was a lengthy economic feature in a broadsheet a couple of weeks ago showing how these pensions are unsustainable.

I don't begrudge jnr doctors their pay rise but I do object to the pension bubble that the NHS has around itself and is costing the younger generation in taxation to fund it.

Good on them - I will happily bear an increased tax rate if required.

A country with an aging population and a reducing number of doctors is absolute madness. I’m glad the government has resolved this rather than antagonising to create media culture war talking points.

Three dots at the top right of your post, click on them, then click edit. You can only do this for a short time!

Yes, and can it cover public sector pay not driving inflation please?

How much do you think junior doctors get paid annually?

Excellent. I hope it's part of a bigger increase so our young doctors stop emigrating to find jobs.
My nephew has just finished F2. Every single one of his cohort are leaving the UK. Those are young doctors who have trained for 7 years who are desperately needed in the NHS.

Well said!

You'd be better campaigning to rid the wastage and overpaid middle managers.

It really does set a precedent.

The pay rise is for junior doctors.