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Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

531 replies

PONZOL · 29/07/2024 13:18

How and where will the government get the money from I wonder?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqe82lk5g5o

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OhshutupNancy · 29/07/2024 13:30

How about they stop paying billions each year to agency workers and their bosses? If they just paid a good wage that would be enough to recruit and retain Nurses and Doctors everything would improve. Staff will stay and feel valued, less sickness, better patient outcomes (eg cancelled ops due to staffing) then they can stop the dependency on agency staff and afford to make the NHS a good place to work.

Also there is a whole raft of non clinical 8a's in my trust who are doing roles that aren't needed and could be condensed.

anonhop · 29/07/2024 13:31

By increasing the tax burden on all the people who have also had below inflation pay rises for 15 years & who are continuing to get them...

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 29/07/2024 13:32

The fact is that the private sector has raced ahead of the public sector for years now in terms of pay. Public sector employees - you know, those people who didn’t get any furlough and worked through the pandemic - are leaving or else losing their homes. It’s a massive crisis.

When you look at like for like jobs in terms of responsibility and stress, it’s bonkers.

G123456789 · 29/07/2024 13:32

Inthemosquitogarden · 29/07/2024 13:20

cancelling large infrastructure projects like the underground bypass at Stonehenge

Or the railway line to my town, which has only one road in or out! Mind you it's meant to cost £150million...for four miles of track...that's already there and just ha has to be up graded

PONZOL · 29/07/2024 13:32

Would be interesting to see on what labour are intending on doing for Consultant docs

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Autumn1990 · 29/07/2024 13:33

the chancellor had to do something to stop the strikes otherwise the waiting lists will keep growing and productivity will go down as a proportion of the population will be too ill to work. A situation I was in last year.
How it will be paid for is questionable. I do hope it doesn’t cause inflation to increase as I don’t think households can take much more financial pressure

Maddy70 · 29/07/2024 13:34

Inthemosquitogarden · 29/07/2024 13:20

cancelling large infrastructure projects like the underground bypass at Stonehenge

Yes this. Priotising spending from silly projects

Readmorebooks40 · 29/07/2024 13:36

I'd happily pay more tax, we need doctors!!! Every single person needs health care from the moment they are born until they die. It is so so important and the stress for people on huge waiting lists is horrendous. Not to mention people living with chronic pain & disabilities. I in 2 people will get cancer. By investing in doctors we are investing in ourselves and our families. I know it's not black and white & people are struggling but our health care professionals deserve to be well paid for the mammoth job they undertake daily.

Maddy70 · 29/07/2024 13:36

TheThingIsYeah · 29/07/2024 13:29

Shake that magic money tree!

How will it be paid for? Well the left of centre MNetters will point to the £700m saved from the Rwanda debacle. But I'd like to think the government is setting aside funding for another model to stop the boats.

You know they have Already speeded up the processing and used the Rwanda planes to send those not eligable for refugee status home. Already saving a fortune and all done humanely

FuzzyStripes · 29/07/2024 13:37

Good, so they should.

I enjoy my job and have experience and qualifications to back it up but the fact that I am paid more than doctors is ludicrous compared to what they do, the stress of it and the hours.

edwinbear · 29/07/2024 13:41

The funding will come from reducing tax relief on pension contributions, Labour like a good raid on pensions.

WhatTheFuk · 29/07/2024 13:41

Where do they get the money for MP bonuses, subsidised bars and restaurants, for staffing up the wall on ridiculous notions such as Rwanda, or lining the pockets of themselves and their cronies?
Where do they get the money for paying non-medically qualified assistants more than doctors?

WhatTheFuk · 29/07/2024 13:42

*spaffing

Sunlime · 29/07/2024 13:45

Good news.

Hopefully this will stop the haemorrhage of doctors to overseas (where wages are still even with this projected raise much higher even taking into account the exchange rate and living. Doctors are one of the most important professions, about time this was sorted.

ChildlessCatLadiesRuleOK · 29/07/2024 13:47

They could raise inheritance tax to 50% for a start.

Isitsixoclockalready · 29/07/2024 13:47

Taxation and cutting back on infrastructure project(s). There was mention of a bypass tunnel near Stonehenge being scrapped. That was controversial in the first place so probably won't be too much of an issue. If they can end the strikes then that's got to be good news.

nearlylovemyusername · 29/07/2024 13:49

I think something has to be done with public pensions - an employee on 30k in public sector gets the same pension as private employee on 50k. This doesn't help younger people who want to buy a house, start family etc, they need money now. But funding all these rises attracts a huge tax bill for pensions, so distribution of pay across lifecycle has to be changed

Bignanna · 29/07/2024 13:50

WhatTheFuk · 29/07/2024 13:42

*spaffing

There is and edit facility, you know!

valadon68 · 29/07/2024 13:50

The initial rise is likely to be recouped in the savings made by catching illnesses earlier before people need intensive treatment, not to mention by the revenue generated by more people regaining the ability to work and not claiming sickness benefits. And presumably some savings will be made by having more permanent members of staff rather than paying private HCPs above the standard salary.

Saw a huge billboard in in a city centre recently encouraging HCPs to go and work abroad and was actually surprised it had been authorised. We need to treat them way better to try and retain them.

Findingmypurposeinlife · 29/07/2024 13:50

Hopefully MP's will freeze their own pay and subsidise it from the savings they make.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 29/07/2024 13:52

OBVS the money they will make from the private shool VAT thing surely - didn’t they say it would bring them billions?!

HelpMeGetThrough · 29/07/2024 13:52

MrsKwazi · 29/07/2024 13:21

Hello inflation!

Oh yes and everything that comes with it.

Psychologymam · 29/07/2024 13:52

GasPanic · 29/07/2024 13:27

Doubt that they will be able to fund much spending via debt.

Why do people think the markets reacted that badly to Liz Truss ?

I think junior doctors deserve more pay. The hours they are expected to do are silly.

However, I think that that pay should to some degree by pay frewezing people higher up the food chain. Consultants often get paid ridiculous amounts of money.

The problem is there is too much money at the end of the career and not enough at the beginning.

They don’t - they are quite underpaid compared to consultant doctors in other countries - hence why they leave. The weather or the working conditions won’t entice them back either.

Didimum · 29/07/2024 13:53

Can MN please run some sort of course on economics and funding? All these 'where does money come from' post are getting very tedious

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 29/07/2024 13:53

Good.Too many are going abroad for better pay and conditions.

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