Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

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How and where will the government get the money from I wonder?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqe82lk5g5o

Although obviously any of those bringing in such changes will be sure not to suffer them.

Good.

Excellent.

We'll keep our excellent junior doctors, attract more, and make the NHS strong from the inside out.

Exactly how it should be.

Many don’t want to work full time, because of the stress and burn out.

I don't think that's the right question.

It shouldn't be "where is the money coming from?"

The question should have been:

"What was the money that should leady have been in their salaries being spent on?"

Public services are nor a piggy bank to raid, especially when MP salaries were rising in thr same period.

Doctors and public services cost a certain amount. Like anything in life, if you can't afford them, reevaluate your overall budget and make cutbacks. I can't choose to pay Tesco staff less because I don't like thir food prices; I can choose to shop elsewhere or buy different products.

They'll regret this soon enough. Debt will skyrocket, infrastructure will be even more horrendous (and don't get me started on cancelling infrastructure projects WHILE trying to build 1M homes 😂hilarious!) and in 4 years time we'll be back to conservative govt.

Only 84k plus 100 k expenses. Not much at all!🙄

I'm very happy for the junior doctors, don't begrudge them a penny of it, but it has to be balanced in part by savings from the inefficiencies in the NHS. You only have to sit waiting for your appointment at an NHS hospital to witness members of staff aimlessly shuffling up and down corridors carrying pieces of paper around that they can't find a home for. I have family members who are paramedics and doctors and they have horror stories about the inefficiencies.

Good. They are woefully underpaid. We need good doctors.

As needmoresleep said there is a shortage of training posts for junior doctors. That means that we are not training enough consultants and there are now local consultants paid at inflated levels because we are not training enough consultants, The consultants are also getting older and more stressed - 13% of secondary care doctors and 18% of GPs will be reaching minimum retirement age in the next one to 10 years. This could mean a loss of over 25,000 doctors through retirement alone.

There is no longer a proper strategy to replace retiring doctors because there are not enough specialty training posts. Yes West Streeting needs to look at this because there is a crisis building up. It takes 5-8 years full time to train a hospital consultant but many do less than full time, take a break for children or just fail exams and need to repeat a year. He really does not have long to sort this out!

Source?

Of course we do. But the majority of NHS staff are not medically trained. Trimming that "fat" back could be a starting point to fund the wage increase.

And it looks like they are losing a whole generation of young doctors to other careers because of the lack of foresight.

DD and her peers are heartbroken that most of them will not be able to practice as doctors. And each year that comes through adds to the competition for the few training places that there are.

Good. I hope similar pay restoration is going to be in place for the rest of the public sector, who have also faced years of below inflation cuts.

What is a ridiculous amount of money after training for 6 years of med school, training for 10 years and managing huge services that save lives?
UK Consultants earn some of the least compared to other Western countries. Max £130k a year on the NHS - that is starting salary for newly qualified City Lawyers and less than 50% of their equivalent elsewhere (Australia, Canada, US etx).

If that is reduced, the junior doctors will leave anyway. There has to be something to aspire to

And so it begins.

Who's next on the Labour big money give away?

I predict double digit inflation again by the end of the year and sky high interest rates. I am so glad I don't have a mortgage.

Back to the 1970s.

130k a year isn't something to aspire to?

New Statesman totally left media outlet. Of course they support the magical idea that public sector wages somehow don’t link with inflation.

Great news. The health of the nation is of paramount importance.

That's welcome news.

You do t have to go that far back. Double digit inflation and sky high interest rates were a thing in 2022.

Well not the way Truss planned on anyway.

Reeves isn't going to make the same mistake as Truss. Which was Truss instructing the Treasury to look into stopping the payments the BoE makes on the deposits from commercial banks. That would have saved taxpayers about £40bn a year, with the base rate at 5.25%.
The BOE stuck up for the poor beleaguered banks and gave them that continuing gift and that was why Truss was wiped out by the BoE, her tax cuts were going to be funded by that saving.

Reeves can't do that either else she'll be gone before you blink.

So sadly, you and I will be paying so the banks can continue to profit.

It's tremendous news and a first step towards the NHS being put right. Hopefully in two or three years waiting lists will be right down, nursing shortages will have disappeared, communication between patients and doctors and other hospital staff will be perfect and all our hospital facilities will be fit for purpose.

Posy natal care will be revolutionised and A&E waits will be down to 90 minutes.

Did you even bother to find out what the cost is for this settlement vs the costs of not settling?

It will be less than £1 billion, net cost.

No projects have been cancelled and if Stonehenge was, how will that affect house building exactly?

We have a 5 year electoral cycle not 4 years and whatever Govt we have in 2029, it wont be a Tory one, they are the cause of most our current problems.

Totally agree. We have a line manager with a team of 6, their manager has a team of 4. 2 managers to manage 10 people!!!!! Waste of money and crucial resources.