Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

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How and where will the government get the money from I wonder?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqe82lk5g5o

So the Police will get the same then I assume as they have also effectively had a pay cut over the years in the same way, plus a law change thanks to Teresa May meaning their pension has been massively reduced. And let’s face it, their working conditions are at an all time low and of course they can’t strike.

Jesus..some people here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask why they are so angry and bitter about young doctors getting a fair wage. Seriously.

This is whataboutery at its finest. Yes, the police should get a fair wage.

The junior doctors should get a fair wage.

This thread is about the junior doctors.

Because doctors are cleverer, studied and trained for longer, and carry a heavier weight of responsibility than any of those undoubtedly deserving groups. And because they are much more likely to find jobs abroad if they do not feel valued in the UK.

Pretty much everyone has had a real terms pay cut over the last 15 years. State sector and public sector. Everyone. Junior doctors were worse hit than most other groups, but they have been offered a 22% pay rise. And yet that’s not enough. The NHS is not part private funded like Australia etc, it’s publicly funded and wages reflect that. If the junior doctors didn’t like the conditions the NHS can offer, they shouldn’t have taken a training place in the UK and a medicine place in a UK university.

The BMA have lost the plot. Droves of members are leaving over both these strikes and their ludicrous decision to reject the findings of the Cass review. Pathetic, greedy fools.

@Blackbirdinfinity well you obviously love doctors 😂. The BMA is v strong and doctors know their worth. Public sector workers all need a pay rise.

And it's not 22% anyway. V v false headline. An F1 will go from £15.33 an hour to £17.85. For saving your life.

Want a doctor when you're ill. Pay them.

@Blackbirdinfinity oh, and to correct your facts. Must doctors would love the conditions and pay that was around when they applied. But during the 6-7 years it takes to apply and qualify the NHS has been underfunded and conditions are now dire. And pay has been cut by 27%.

So yes, give them the same as what existed when they applied. Excellent idea.

Fair enough if you think that doctors deserve to be paid more because they are "cleverer". But you can't think that and moan about inequality.

I think they as deserve to be PAID THE SAMR AS THEY USED TO BE. None of this is a pay rise, it's just pay restoration, or at least a start.

Doctor starting salary £32,800
PA starting salary £45,000
Aldi Graduate (3 yr degree) £42,000

Want a doctor. Pay them.

There's always going to be some difference in pay though, it can't be completely equal. Some skills are are in short supply, some harder and so less people able to gain them. These should absolutely be paid more, and this includes doctors. You can't have a doctor being the same as someone who works in a shop or restaurant.

Hence no one should be moaning about inequality. But rather equity

A person that spends 5-6 years studying to take the responsibility for other humans health is not the same and does not need the same thing as someone who does no such thing and works in a shop. Neither is better or worse but they are different and require different things. Including different renumeration

The fact that some posters can't even get heads around what pay restoration means kind of proves the point that doctors are cleverer than most.

I was referring to the reasoning as it gives the impression that it’s only junior doctors that have had the pay cut over the years. Not “whataboutary”, just stating facts. Which funnily enough, I’m allowed to do on a forum with a subject on public sector workers. Not like I went off on a tangent.

Actually, it's a thread about doctors.

Read any thread about teachers and you'll see the same. Why do they think they're so special ? Why do they think 'they have it harder than everyone else'. They don't. Thread about teachers. Is about teachers. Thread about doctors is about doctors. Not police (who need more pay), or nurses (who need more pay) or bankers (who don't).

As a nurse I have to say, good it’s about time. Junior doctors work very hard and have an unbelievable amount of responsibility on their shoulders. They deserve it.

I wonder how many people on Mumsnet realise junior doctors salary is roughly less than £30k!
A deputy manager at Aldi is earning more!
I really wish the public would stop listening to the idiot government.

@JosieJasper I think you may need to read the thread title again. Spoiler alert - It's about junior doctors.

Don’t say it’s a 22% pay rise like it’s all coming in one go because it isn’t. This lumps together two years worth of pay rises and a top up from last year.

You seem to have a particular dislike of doctors.
Life isn't equal. A binman may work very hard but can be trained in a day. A doctor is much harder to replace. They are not equally valuable. The same principle applies to professional footballers. If anyone could do it there would be no need to pay them millions.

I think everyone ought to be paid what they used to be. But they’re not. What makes doctors so special?

And doctors pay goes through the roof if they are able to become a consultant. And the pensions are utterly massive. Laughable to tell a private sector DC pension employee that doctors are underpaid.

In order to do this fairly let us know the average salary of a doctor who has worked full time for 30 years? And what sort of pension the average doctor gets when they retire?

But don’t you realise that if you pay doctors more, you have less to pay the rest of the public sector workforce? Or did you think there was a magic money tree?

Doctors are also much more likely to be from higher socioeconomic groups and be privately educated. I don't think it's as simple as the other occupations listed being the preserve of relative thickos.

Is the size of the pension any good to someone in their mid 20's, who possibly has kids, is moved around the country with little say in where they're put, and needs to house, feed and clothe themself, pay the very high and not-optional exam and study fees, travel to work and work 48 hour weeks?