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To think it’s completely and utterly unacceptable for men to compete in women’s sports?

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SwainedFreed · 24/07/2024 20:42

How the hell is this being allowed! I’ve seen the volume of medals they are earning - medals which should be earned by women. Men and women are not physically comparable and this is just a line which once again shouldn’t be crossed.

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BunfightBetty · 24/07/2024 20:44

Well yes, anyone with a functioning brain knows this 🤷‍♀️ But we have wallies for politicians, so….

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 24/07/2024 20:48

BunfightBetty · 24/07/2024 20:44

Well yes, anyone with a functioning brain knows this 🤷‍♀️ But we have wallies for politicians, so….

Politicians don't govern sports, and even if UK politicians kicked up a stink, that's inconsequential for sports where the governing bodies are based outside the UK anyway.

It's a problem for the governing bodies of individual sports to tackle.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2024 20:49

You'd think it would be obvious. However, I think it's the Emperor's New Clothes. If you say something that's obviously at odds with the facts, people assume it must be true that there's been a new scientific discovery, or how could you hope to get away with it? In this case, millions of years of human evolution is just being batted aside as if somehow something massive's changed in the last few years. Well, spoiler alert, it hasn't. Women have separate sports for the same reason children and older athletes do - it means like is competing with like. Male bodies that went through male puberty are still male bodies that went through male puberty even if the male is taking oestrogen and wearing stereotypically female clothing.

(And it's right and proper that they went through male puberty. Everybody has to go through puberty, even if it's tough. It's an essential part of human development and the children currently being given blockers are getting drugs that have a lot of very nasty side effects. Huge medical scandal in the making.)

Flibflobflibflob · 24/07/2024 20:52

The training hours athletes (pro and not pro) put it to get good at what they do is immense. The fact that anyone can be knocked out of competition because some mediocre bloke with a host of biological advantages comes along and decides he’s a woman now is appalling.

The whole thing has made me realise how much people really don’t give a shit about women.

Projectme · 24/07/2024 20:56

It's beyond horrendous and pisses me off so much. 😤 but we aren't allowed to complain are we because we have to #bekind. Bollocks to that shit.

BenjiCat · 24/07/2024 20:57

It makes my blood boil with the unfairness of it!

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/07/2024 20:58

BunfightBetty · 24/07/2024 20:44

Well yes, anyone with a functioning brain knows this 🤷‍♀️ But we have wallies for politicians, so….

Well we have wallies who insist TWAW and anyone who disagrees is a hateful bigoted transphobe, and THIS is where it's led us. Men being able to cheat. Well done 👏

VickyEadieofThigh · 24/07/2024 21:00

BenjiCat · 24/07/2024 20:57

It makes my blood boil with the unfairness of it!

Me too. And yet I see people defending it - often by making astonishingly ludicrous claims about how oestrogen "removes all male advantages".

BunfightBetty · 24/07/2024 21:02

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 24/07/2024 20:48

Politicians don't govern sports, and even if UK politicians kicked up a stink, that's inconsequential for sports where the governing bodies are based outside the UK anyway.

It's a problem for the governing bodies of individual sports to tackle.

This is the point, though, isn’t it. That politicians could govern sport in this way, but Lisa ‘I’m happy for vulnerable women prisoners to be locked up with male rapists’ Nandy is choosing not to.

Candlelights1 · 24/07/2024 21:02

I and my whole family hugely applaud any athlete that refuses to participate.

It is the only way IMO.
For female athletes to completely refuse to compete.

It is a disgrace that they are forced into this action.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 24/07/2024 21:07

Candlelights1 · 24/07/2024 21:02

I and my whole family hugely applaud any athlete that refuses to participate.

It is the only way IMO.
For female athletes to completely refuse to compete.

It is a disgrace that they are forced into this action.

So do I, especially Lynne Pinches but why should it have to be the women who sacrifice what they've worked their whole lives for? It's not even elite sport it's all sports.

Some like the women swimmers who had to compete against Lia Thomas had college scholarships which they were in danger of losing if they spoke out against it.

Biological men should be banned from women's sports full stop. No exceptions.

SamW98 · 24/07/2024 21:07

Of course it’s absolutely fucking wrong but the sports ruling bodies seem too scared of the #bekind penis pandering handmaidens to say no.

Of course a 6 foot biological man has no place in women’s sport but they’d rather get glory by cheating than compete against men.

And anyone who suggests a third category - swimming tried that and not a single person entered. It’s all about muscling in on women’s spaces and it’s supported by some sports bodies. Young girls being made to share changing rooms with biological boys because they claim they’re a girl - it’s fucking outrageous.

To think it’s completely and utterly unacceptable for men to compete in women’s sports?
XDownwiththissortofthingX · 24/07/2024 21:08

BunfightBetty · 24/07/2024 21:02

This is the point, though, isn’t it. That politicians could govern sport in this way, but Lisa ‘I’m happy for vulnerable women prisoners to be locked up with male rapists’ Nandy is choosing not to.

How are you proposing UK politicians dictate to sporting bodies based outside the UK, when there is absolutely no onus upon them to pay the blindest bit of notice?

And no, politicians should not be governing sports, period.

Farkinell · 24/07/2024 21:13

Flibflobflibflob · 24/07/2024 20:52

The training hours athletes (pro and not pro) put it to get good at what they do is immense. The fact that anyone can be knocked out of competition because some mediocre bloke with a host of biological advantages comes along and decides he’s a woman now is appalling.

The whole thing has made me realise how much people really don’t give a shit about women.

The sacrifices that elite sportspeople make are incredible.

To loose out on a place bc a cheating male barges in is utterly outrageous.

Not forgetting the sacrifices their families make to support that athlete from grass roots to top of their game.

No man in women's sport at any level. Nope. Not ever.

Ereyraa · 24/07/2024 21:13

Yanbu. Lisa Nandy is a moron.

SSpratt · 24/07/2024 21:16

Women need to leave the control of these governing bodies and set up their own competition. For women, run by women. Leave the men to run their own two categories (for men calling themselves men and men calling themselves women).

itsmylife7 · 24/07/2024 21:17

I've just read about 3 men taking 1st 2nd 3rd places in a woman's bike race.

There's a picture with the winners...Great big bloke with a massive bulge (cock n balls ) in his tight lycra shorts 😡

SidekickSylvia · 24/07/2024 21:18

It's infuriating. YANBU. How can anyone look at a male on a podium, winning a medal in the female category and think it's okay because he's wearing nail varnish? It's ridiculous.

FOJN · 24/07/2024 21:21

Men winning gold, silver and bronze in women's cycling race. They were two person teams but at least one half of each of the winning teams is male. Check out the photo.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13660579/transgender-athletes-female-Washinton-cycling-championship.html

LindorDoubleChoc · 24/07/2024 21:21

Yanbu but you are at least 5 years behind the times!

BoobyDazzler · 24/07/2024 21:22

Yanbu. No reasonable person thinks otherwise.

I feel sorry for the women who are robbed of their success.

Circumferences · 24/07/2024 21:24

I don't know how these men sleep at night

thursdaymurderclub · 24/07/2024 21:27

i have absolutely no issue with anyone wanting to be whatever they want to be! but when it comes to sport... have you noticed its males who have chosen to be females who are stealing and cheating other women out of medals.. i cannot think of one example where a woman who has chosen to be a man has won any medals in any field of sport... and we all know why this is. i don't care what operations you have, what blockers or medications you take. the male body, with or without certain appendages is always going to be so much stronger than that of a biological female! its sad and its cheating.

look at leah thomas the swimmer.... was at the bottom of his league as a male swimmer, and now, hey presto he is now a she (i have no issue with this) and she is now competing and beating bilogical woman hands down.

cheats!

SamW98 · 24/07/2024 21:30

Circumferences · 24/07/2024 21:24

I don't know how these men sleep at night

Because they’re misogynistic pricks who are proud of screwing women over.

They don’t give a shit how many women lose their dreams - they see it as validation that they’re women.

Champagnesocialismo · 24/07/2024 21:32

Of course it’s ridiculous! Women should refuse to compete against trans athletes. What’s the point?

The idea is to compete; not have a kind of “please let me have a prize”. it’s the kind of cheating that would never be permitted otherwise.

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