To think it’s completely and utterly unacceptable for men to compete in women’s sports?

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How the hell is this being allowed! I’ve seen the volume of medals they are earning - medals which should be earned by women. Men and women are not physically comparable and this is just a line which once again shouldn’t be crossed.

It doesn't matter why they're doing it.

OK, they feel really really sad that they were born the "wrong" sex and they really really deeply feel that the universe played a cruel trick on them.

Why are the feelings of this small number of individuals more important than safety and fairness for all women and girls.

(I'll give you a clue. It's because they're something that begins with M and rhymes with "hen", and so their needs are considered more important. If they actually were women, no one would give a shit about their feelings.)

look at leah thomas the swimmer.... was at the bottom of his league as a male swimmer, and now, hey presto he is now a she (i have no issue with this) and she is now competing and beating bilogical woman hands down

amp.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jun/12/transgender-swimmer-lia-thomas-out-of-olympics-after-losing-legal-battle-swimming

Lia Thomas does not compete as a woman anymore. This was changed ages ago. Also British swimming and world swimming have a female and open/male catagory.

There was a time when the world went mad as it happened. But it was responded to pretty quickly and she has lost a legal case to be able to compete as female.

Until it's the case in all sports, at all levels, worldwide, there is still a problem.

*He.

Women have still lost out and suffered because of biology deniers and people insisting men can become women. Maybe people like yourself seeing as defending Lia's position and calling him she are the main points of your post.

Just because sporting bodies are finally standing up to the 'men's feelings takes priority over everything' brigade brings no comfort to the women who have already lost out.

We are in this situation because we all (or most of us) agreed that male people could be women. And the only way out of it is to acknowledge that they are not actually women, and never can be.

I don’t believe most of us ever did agree male people could be women. The majority of the federal public had no idea this batshittery was going on until it started to get out of control and we got to where we are.

i think a poll among the public would show that the majority don’t believe anyone can change sex. Most people imo are sick and tired of this whole #bekind being forced upon us at the expense of women’s safeguarding because of men who can’t understand the word ‘no’

Yes. It's so weird that these men that want to be women seem to really hate....
women.

It all depends on at what level and personal circumstances. I have a reletuve (F-M) that plays a team sport and is fully accepted as a "man" but it's just for fun, yes a league but no one takes it that seriously.

At the other extreme, international governing bodies have rules and in most sports trans women cannot compete if they have been through male puberty. There is a breakdown of rules for the Olympics on one of the newspaper websites, can't remember which one I read it yesterday. Some sports have renamed men as open to be "inclusive" but women are protected and there is hormone testing as well as the trans restrictions.

I didn’t agree to it either, and neither did many women I know. I doubt many sportswomen agreed either.

Shouldn't it be the other way round though? Because it was largely women who set up the rape survivor services and the DV services. So they shouldn't have to do this all over again. Transwomen should set up their own separate services.

As for mentioning cricket, women are allowed and do compete alongside men at the amateur level, have done for years. It's not a contact sport and ability on a typical team will be very varied. I don't know the rules at professional level in the U.K. but the ones I see look like natal women

Parkrun is another example A they don't publish sex based results now as men identifying as women was making the results impossible for women to beat.

Accidentally** I call her a she because she's trans.

I DO NOT condone sports being competed in in any other way other than birth sex.

Luckily that's changing.

But do not judge. My ds is an elite para sportsman so I've done my fair share of working towards equality in sport.

There is a long way to go to improve equality - for example all governing bodies adopting female birth sex and make/open categories.

However the forth of what happens isn't as sore as people on the internet (who often read media reports rather than actively are involved) would have others believe.

And they are the ones who spout about "truth".

Absolutely.

However the internet would have you believe otherwise 🙄

There is one exception in the US Rowing policy. It is for mixed crew races, which require equal numbers of male and female rowers in each boat. In those events, the females must be “assigned female at birth”. Yes, they can see that letting males claim female seats in the boat gives that crew an unfair advantage, but in this case it affects their male opposition, so it’s not allowed.

Men with DSD winning women's Olympic medals is fine, men playing women's grassroots sports is fine, men changing in women's changing rooms is fine, men pushing women out of women's sports is fine, women not being able to play mens sports is fine because they'd be doping is fine - the men making these decisions are fine with it because it doesn't effect them. They know it's cheating which is why when it does affect them - in mixed teams, they don't allow it.

It's like when the Gender Recognition Act was written, a clause was included which says if a man obtains a Gender Recognition Certificate, he would not be excluded from inheriting a title, even if he had an older sister, even if she also had a GRC! Men's rights.

What about Eddie Izzard? We all love them running marathons and setting records as a she.

I'll bet that 'just for fun' sport isn't boxing.

How many transwomen applied for the Open category after the Workd Aquatics changed it. I'll give you the answer- none. Why do you think that is?

Bit of an odd assumption. I can't stand him, and completely disregard his recorded times, because they aren't female records.

I don’t

Yanbu so many posts say it well

Makes me want to rage. It’s beyond what women and girls should have to deal with

I can’t even type how strongly I feel on it

YANBU.

And I don't think any reasonable person would disagree with you.

What's wrong is that men are allowed to trample all over women's rights under the banner of "women need to be kind".
It's Taliban style oppression dressed up in Trans ideology.

I think you can only speak for yourself. Eddie Izzard gets on my nerves. And I'm not claiming Eddie Izzard as a she because Eddie Izzard has male musculature and oxygen capacity.

I agree - we were just being polite - no one can change sex, we just didn’t realise that this politeness would lead to the insanity of men invading women’s spaces, sports etc.

For the record we certainly don't all love Eddie Izzard.

It all depends on at what level and personal circumstances.

And no it does bloody well not. No male should be competing in women's sports, whether that's Olympic swimming or the local 'fun' cricket club. At all.

Your relative is FtM (which is impossible btw) so does not possess the same physiological advantage as males. It's not the same. It's an insult for females everywhere for you to try and find loopholes and excuses.