To think it’s completely and utterly unacceptable for men to compete in women’s sports?

[SwainedFreed]

How the hell is this being allowed! I’ve seen the volume of medals they are earning - medals which should be earned by women. Men and women are not physically comparable and this is just a line which once again shouldn’t be crossed.

Agree! The clue's in the word 'elite'!

I seem to remember a TW weightlifter in a fairly recent Olympics.

For anyone who's still thinking that being male doesn't give you an advantage, take a look at FloJo's 100m record which she set in 1988.

Her pretty invincible world record wouldn't get her on the World Athletics male 100m list. This list runs to 370 pages.

It's absurd that some want to throw the majority under the bus to pander to a very small group of people.

Yep, that was Laurel Hubbard in 2020. The IWF banned males from female competition last year as a result of the debacle. They should have done it earlier, but better late than never.

Glad to hear it.

Is there anything in the Uk that we could or should be doing about this?

Worth remembering the IOC have issues special reporting guidelines that insist the press must not accurately sex any cheating competitors:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/06/07/ioc-biologically-male-problematic-language-transgender/

Heavily criticised by Martina Navratilova:

www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-war-women-martina-navratilova-laments-ioc-s-new-transgender-inclusionary-language-guidelines-ahead-paris-olympics

And presumably ensuring that cheats will go unnoticed and reports like this won't be written:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12301231/Transgender-runner-49-wins-womens-400m-medal-World-Para-Athletics-Championships-Paris.html

This would be the only positive I can see so far of a Trump win, but why can't the rest see it. Make it illegal in the UK and others will follow. It requires leadership and I hope not from Trump.

For the posters insisting that all women's sport in the UK now excludes men, the Women's Rights Network has evidence that this is not true:

https://www.womensrights.network/sporting-body-policies

The data is shocking with only 8 sports protecting women's sport from grassroots through to elite.

I can't speak for the other sports but their position that British Cycling permits males in female competition at grassroots level is simply incorrect. The policy applies at all level of competition. They seem to have confused grassroots racing with recreational bike riding.

Yes, continue pressure on the sporting bodies which still permit males in female competition, in particular football, hockey, cricket, and tennis. These are the four big standouts, of which football, hockey and cricket are most affected (there are apparently 47 transwomen playing in women's football in the country). Write to your MP and ask what they think about these sports getting funding from the lottery fund and from DCMS.

It is quite something that lying is being institutionalised like this

And just as an aside, there will be only two transgender athletes competing in the Olympics this year, Nikki Hiltz and Quinn. Both are female, and both will be competing in the female category in their respective sports (middle distance and football).

Well in that case why would someone like Maxine Blethyn, all six foot plus of him, insist on playing for a Womens cricket team, when he could have just as easily played for a male or predominantly male team? If local cricket teams are mixed, and it is a no contact sport, then there was no need for Maxine to muscle in on a women’s team and then have the cheek, or should that be the balls, to accept a county “Woman Cricketer of The Year” award. But clearly Maxine is the sort of player who thinks his own validation is more important than their enjoyment of the sport or their respect for other players.

I agree with you on pressure but the pp seems to be correct on Nandy’s statement being problematic when there is further need for change.

YANBU, at all.

Say what now? (the Telegraph link - "Trans athletes dehumanised by term ‘biological male’, says Olympics
A 33-page ‘Portrayal Guidelines’ document, published ahead of Paris Games, states a person’s sex is not ‘assigned based on genetics alone’"

Of course a person's sex is based on genetics alone (no, not "assigned", we can drop that bit). And as for "dehumanised", we could just have stuck to "female/women" and "male/men", but no, that wasn't acceptable to the gender movement, who wanted to appropriate existing terms and redefine them for their own ends.

Honestly, are these organisations populated by idiots or wilful disruptors?

Honestly, are these organisations populated by idiots or wilful disruptors?

Both.

Agree with OP

Honestly, are these organisations populated by idiots or wilful disruptors?

they’re populated by a tiny handful of very energetic disruptors and everyone else who just wants a quiet life

dealing with the TRA fanatics is endlessly tiring and wearisome. They go on and on and on, dragging it into everything, bothering managers and board members with emails banging on about being kind and weaponising bullshit suicide statistics about the most vulnerable ever. Marry that with the wider narrative pumped into mainstream media and across public bodies for the last decade about how trans ‘rights’ are just like the fights by lesbian and gay ppl to have equal rights to straight ppl and anyone who doesn’t agree TWAW is a Nazi bigot it’s no surprise that people just give in to get them to shut up and go away

I'm confused by the 4 %. By voting that men SHOULD be able to participate in women's sports then that means they don't see transwomen as women either. So what are they trying to say? I'd like to know why they think it's OK that we have mens sports and mixed sports but we cant have women's sports.

There are two males competing in the female boxing.

Do you have a source for that?

I'll try and link it. Bear with me.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5129412-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes

There you go.