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Men are too comfortable in public

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Throwwaway · 23/07/2024 18:32

This is the first time I’ve really noticed it but as I was playing with my son in a park, a man was on the phone with his hand literally inside his trousers as he paced. Every now and then he’s pull it out and scratch his balls and put it back in. Like all the way in. It’s weird. I could never get away with doing this. It’s rude and I don’t want to have to see that. I feel like this wouldn’t have happened 50-100 years ago and it’s slobbish and disgusting not to mention unhygienic. I feel unreasonable for being annoyed at this. They’re so comfortable in society that the park is like their bedroom apparently. Whereas women often feel the need to make themselves as small as possible in society. Rant over.

Men are too comfortable in public
Men are too comfortable in public
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Wheredidileavemycarkeys · 24/07/2024 18:22

nameynamenamenamename · 24/07/2024 18:05

Wow, that’s a depressingly low bar you are setting.

Well those things are offensive and deliberate attempts to intimidate. Scratching your balls while talking to someone on the phone not so much. It’s a bit like spitting on the pavement, bit gross but not really the crime of the century.

And I still don’t think going around taking pictures of random people who are actually minding their own business (albeit in an uncouth way) is ok.

comeondover · 24/07/2024 21:00

Greenlittecat · 24/07/2024 14:53

How are they not? I'm not trying to be goady asking that question, I'm just confused (I have ASD too so things are sometimes black/white to me - especially on the internet)

She watched the man for 10 minutes, took photos of him, cropped them (presumably still having the originals on her phone) then posted to MN to shame him. She could have written the post without the photos, she doesn't need them to "illustrate her point".

It's gross he had his hand down his pants, but its far worse what the OP has done by taking photos and posting him online.

He was fiddling with his genitals for quite some time in a public place. Most people on the thread agree that's not OK, even if they dispute the taking of the photo.

She has done him no harm. Yet because she's called out his behaviour, even though she kept him completely anonymous, she's taking a lot of flak. See @Garlickest 's rules of misogyny post.

Or more simply - he did the gross thing, yet she's the one being punished.

XenoBitch · 24/07/2024 21:05

It is gross, but I don't get why you had to take photos of him and post them online.
Just offering up a discussion about it would have done.

Greenlittecat · 24/07/2024 21:34

comeondover · 24/07/2024 21:00

He was fiddling with his genitals for quite some time in a public place. Most people on the thread agree that's not OK, even if they dispute the taking of the photo.

She has done him no harm. Yet because she's called out his behaviour, even though she kept him completely anonymous, she's taking a lot of flak. See @Garlickest 's rules of misogyny post.

Or more simply - he did the gross thing, yet she's the one being punished.

Thanks for the explanation!

But she didn't call out his behaviour though? She took photos of him and posted it online.
She could have started the thread without the photos.

comeondover · 24/07/2024 21:46

Greenlittecat · 24/07/2024 21:34

Thanks for the explanation!

But she didn't call out his behaviour though? She took photos of him and posted it online.
She could have started the thread without the photos.

You're welcome, and you're right. I would have been more accurate if I'd said she'd called out the behaviour rather than this specific individual.

And yes, she could have posted without the pictures. I'm amazed at how many posters have gone big on that aspect rather than the deliberate, extended knob-fiddling though, even though she ensured his anonymity. I don't see the two things as anywhere near equivalent.

G123456789 · 25/07/2024 15:15

AllTheChaos · 23/07/2024 23:15

I really hope we worked with the same man (lawyer??), as I would hate to think there’s more than one of them out there! We used to have to ask him to please, for the love of God, not do it in meetings with clients 😂

Sorry no. It was an insurance do...manager of another team...so there are two of them...ick!

Nikkic2123 · 25/07/2024 15:25

I mean, isn't it enough you tell us.
Taking pictures is a new line crossed and I'm pretty sure you can get in trouble, if that lad took a picture of u doing the same it would be a scandle. He would be a sexual predator, accused of getting off on it.
You should delete that before someone sends him them

nameynamenamenamename · 25/07/2024 16:14

Nikkic2123 · 25/07/2024 15:25

I mean, isn't it enough you tell us.
Taking pictures is a new line crossed and I'm pretty sure you can get in trouble, if that lad took a picture of u doing the same it would be a scandle. He would be a sexual predator, accused of getting off on it.
You should delete that before someone sends him them

Complete and utter nonsense.

Waitingfordoggo · 25/07/2024 17:35

This does my head in. Imagine if women went around brazenly scratching/fondling our fannies in public.

The other week I was in a cafe and a man who was sitting outside got up to come inside the cafe to get some ketchup. On his way in through the door, he was rearranging his testicles (his hand was on the outside of his shorts so that’s something at least, but it was very clear what he was doing). He picked up the ketchup and turned to go back out the door, and used the other hand to rummage around his arsehole area (extracting a wedgie presumably). All this in front of a cafe full of people. OH and I sat there open mouthed (and resolved not to use the ketchup).

LordPercyPercy · 25/07/2024 17:40

Taking pictures is a new line crossed and I'm pretty sure you can get in trouble, if that lad took a picture of u doing the same it would be a scandle. He would be a sexual predator, accused of getting off on it.

Nope. UK laws mean you don't have an expectation of privacy when you're in a public place, hence all the cctv. There is no law against posting the images online either.
If the OP was doing the same in public, her act would be the scandal, not someone posting it. There are plenty of examples of people (well, men, inevitably) doing something obscene and being shamed online with the resulting footage.
OP has been considerate enough to crop his face out.

Garlickest · 25/07/2024 23:04

took a picture of u doing the same

As has been said over & over again - do we EVER see women with their hands down their pants, fiddling with their labia in public? Ever?? It would be startling enough to see them doing it outside their clothes, wouldn't it.

I've seen female hip-hop artists put their hand on their groin, like the men do, but not scratching & fondling their genitals while waiting for a train or walking in the park. We don't even do it when we have thrush and, by god, that itches 😬

Marinade · 26/07/2024 16:57

LordPercyPercy · 25/07/2024 17:40

Taking pictures is a new line crossed and I'm pretty sure you can get in trouble, if that lad took a picture of u doing the same it would be a scandle. He would be a sexual predator, accused of getting off on it.

Nope. UK laws mean you don't have an expectation of privacy when you're in a public place, hence all the cctv. There is no law against posting the images online either.
If the OP was doing the same in public, her act would be the scandal, not someone posting it. There are plenty of examples of people (well, men, inevitably) doing something obscene and being shamed online with the resulting footage.
OP has been considerate enough to crop his face out.

Yeah we get it... It still does not make this morally appropriate. Stop preaching the law to us.

LlynTegid · 26/07/2024 17:27

The only positive is that you know he is not a suitable partner. Agree it is disgusting.

Sharptonguedwoman · 26/07/2024 18:15

mm81736 · 24/07/2024 09:39

He is probably feeling comfortable because he didn't realise their was some weirdo taking pictures of them

Why are you supporting this revolting man?

Sharptonguedwoman · 26/07/2024 18:16

Greenlittecat · 24/07/2024 10:06

Plenty of people do though.

It's wrong to take pictures of people without their knowledge

Not illegal. Looked it up.

Sharptonguedwoman · 26/07/2024 18:17

Bluebirdover · 24/07/2024 14:51

I hope you're ok with being photographed yourself by some random in the street?

Still not illegal unless you are on private land

OneTC · 26/07/2024 18:28

Last week OH train was held up for an hour or more whilst the police attended to arrest some bloke caught having a wank. Ended up getting home at 1am

2 nights ago the bloke sitting opposite her on the train kept putting his hands down his trousers whilst staring at her. She called him a dirty fucker, he kicked off, standing over her and shouting in her face, literally everyone else on the train just sticks their heads down and pretends it isn't happening 😑 he got off at the next stop luckily

Greenlittecat · 26/07/2024 18:32

Sharptonguedwoman · 26/07/2024 18:16

Not illegal. Looked it up.

There's lots of things that are morally wrong but not illegal though. It's wrong to take photographs of people and put them online for ridicule.

Scammersarescum · 26/07/2024 18:41

How on earth can anyone be upset on the man's behalf because of the photo.

He was perfectly happy to fondle his genitals publicly so it is illogical to think he would be bothered about a photo being taken of that act.

SerafinasGoose · 26/07/2024 18:45

OneTC · 26/07/2024 18:28

Last week OH train was held up for an hour or more whilst the police attended to arrest some bloke caught having a wank. Ended up getting home at 1am

2 nights ago the bloke sitting opposite her on the train kept putting his hands down his trousers whilst staring at her. She called him a dirty fucker, he kicked off, standing over her and shouting in her face, literally everyone else on the train just sticks their heads down and pretends it isn't happening 😑 he got off at the next stop luckily

Grotesque. I'm sorry that happened to her.

I've been posting for a while about how dangerous a place trains currently are. In my experience it's become noticeably worse since lockdown. Our railways are rapidly becoming no-go areas for women.

SerafinasGoose · 26/07/2024 18:56

Scammersarescum · 26/07/2024 18:41

How on earth can anyone be upset on the man's behalf because of the photo.

He was perfectly happy to fondle his genitals publicly so it is illogical to think he would be bothered about a photo being taken of that act.

Amazing how so many women are desperate to encourage this behaviour whilst deflecting blame onto other women who call it to account.

This pressure to turn a blind-eye to anti-social, sexually inappropriate
behaviour is relentless. Yet women absolutely never benefit from this compliant silence.

So why would any woman go to such effort to maintain this undesirable status quo, when it runs so obviously counter to our interests?

This attitude is anathema to me.

nameynamenamenamename · 26/07/2024 19:04

Well said @SerafinasGoose

IdealCowpat · 26/07/2024 19:17

Classier than Kit Harington.

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