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What on earth is my mother doing??

491 replies

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:05

For context I am an the adult child of an abusive father, the kind MN would always say LTB.

My father would tell us regularly he hated children, and couldn't stand us and spent most of my childhood hitting and abusing me physically and mentally. Being told he did not love me was far worse than anything he did with his fists as a child. It was devastating. He barely spoke to me when he wasn't losing his temper.

He abused my mother for years in a controlling way but stopped physically assaulting her when he started taking his temper out on us. My mother always said she would leave him, and she had many options to do so, but never did. I grew up desperate for his love and approval initially, to be even noticed enough for him to talk to me. It never happened.

Once I reached adulthood, I realised my 'normal' childhood was not normal at all, and over the years my father and I have been low contact. I remained close to my mother, mainly because he didn't want to be around us anyway beyond keeping my mother happy. My father and I settled on a very superficial relationship that was entirely empty of all meaning.

Once I had dc and he became abusive towards them (making my dc cry calling them fat and being unkind about their appearance when they were young) I went completely no contact with the help and support of MN at the time. To protect my dc. This has been the case for over six years or so. We just keep in contact with my mother which makes things very awkward at times. My mother says she is happy to stay now with him, they have worked out their differences, it suits her to stay with him, at her age.

Last year my father became very, very ill. I supported my mother, but did not contact him. I still choose to keep my children safe, and away from him. It was very hard and sad at the time. My mother said he is getting old we need to 'make up', so I gave him a choice. If my father agreed to be nice to us and not say anything harmful I will restart contact given his age and ill health.
My father refused outright on the phone - he said no and actually laughed at me. He should be able to say what he likes to us, and he will not agree to anything of the sort. I was only asking for him to promise to be kind, nothing more. I was hardly asking for the world.

There was no way I was going to restart contact with him basically telling me he would continue to abuse me/us (as he has always done)

Since then my mother has completely stopped calling. She seemingly will not forgive me for stopping contact and ruining her illusion of a 'happy family'. She has not visited my house in over five years, and refuses to meet me other than from her house (which is very triggering now for me being there, I sometimes have panic attacks when I am outside because I am still so afraid of my father) unless I collect her a few times a year I would never see her. I had a serious illness at the beginning of this year that could have been a terminal diagnosis, she did not even call me then or offer any support whatsoever. I was so hurt by her total indifference. She really did not seem to care.

What she does every day, is send me a WA message saying she loves me to the 'moon and back' and variations of very over the top love messages which feel very insincere and sickly.

I don't FEEL remotely loved by her.

The messages and words feel completely empty to me. I don't know why she sends them, and I have no idea how to respond to her. I asked her to please stop because they were upsetting me, but she carries on anyway. The same message on repeat every single day of undying love, but she never calls or asks how we are in the messages. I am expected to do all of the calling and all of the visiting still regardless of my health. These 'issues' seem irrelevant to her. She sometimes talks about the weather but nothing else, ever. It feels really pointless. I have tried to engage with her properly and she then retreats into silent treatment and this can last for months at a time.

I am so confused.

What is happening here? Why is she sending these messages to me?

It feels like she has cut me off to all intents and purposes, and her daily text hurts me because it seems like she is saying she loves me, but it doesn't feel like she loves or cares about me at all.

I have no idea what I should do about this now.

What am I missing about this situation?

OP posts:
BonifaceBonanza · 18/07/2024 08:07

I think your dad is abusing her with coercive control.
I think the text is really how she feels. If your Dad passed on I think her actions would match her texts.
How very sad for you both.

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:09

Thank you, yes I am sure he is still controlling her, but she could call me if she wanted to, she is choosing not to.

OP posts:
Mumoftwo1316 · 18/07/2024 08:10

She's abused you too in her way.

Namechangeforthis88 · 18/07/2024 08:11

Perhaps she has no idea what an actual loving, healthy relationship looks like, or should look like. Perhaps she is trying to convince herself that she is a good, loving mother, doing the right things and making the right noises.

PonyPatter44 · 18/07/2024 08:14

Your father sounds totally vile, there is clearly something deeply wrong with him. Well done for having the courage to stand up to him and cut him off.

As for your mum... I agree with the PP who suggested that the texts are how she really feels. If you are upset by receiving them, you can mute the WhatsApp so you don't see them.

JoanCollected · 18/07/2024 08:14

Your mum is very damaged herself and I believe she loves you very much but cannot find a way to you with your dad in the way.

she should have protected you all but couldn’t.

if you had the strength and this is probably impossible, I’d maybe go to her house but with every interaction with your father laugh at him and call him names and walk away from him.

But you’ve zero obligation to your mum after all you’ve been through so you can only do what feels bearable to you.

Mintypig · 18/07/2024 08:14

I would text her and say you want no more contact. The. Block . You are being abused by both parents in different ways. Don’t accept the abuse for yourself or your kids - your mood will change when get these texts and effect your kids lives. Your parents chose a path. Your mum chose to remain loyal to the abuser and left her kids to get beaten as a result. Personally I couldn’t forgive this. I would walk away with my head up, you have given them a choice - they screwed it up.

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:15

Namechangeforthis88 · 18/07/2024 08:11

Perhaps she has no idea what an actual loving, healthy relationship looks like, or should look like. Perhaps she is trying to convince herself that she is a good, loving mother, doing the right things and making the right noises.

You are right it feels like she just makes the 'right' noises, there is nothing behind the words. Before this happened, she would come and stay with me and my dc for days and we had a lovely time, talking and being close for years we would do this. I would take her for days out to the beach or for lunch. She would call often, I always called her a lot, but she would too. She calls her own sister every single night at 7pm on the dot. She can definitely have relationships, it seems now she is choosing not to.

It feels like a punishment to me. It may not be. But it feels that way.

OP posts:
AGodawfulsmallaffair · 18/07/2024 08:15

Mumoftwo1316 · 18/07/2024 08:10

She's abused you too in her way.

Absolutely she did, and still is, trying to force contact with this disgusting violent man. I don’t think I’d have much trouble or guilt blocking her and getting on with life.

BonifaceBonanza · 18/07/2024 08:15

If she is in a coercive and controlling relationship do you really think OP that she would be able to call you?
Impartially we know that women in her place do seemingly terrible things as they feel unable to act outside the coercion.
I imagine your dad doesn’t know about the messages. Or he’s told her she is allowed one message a day.

BMW6 · 18/07/2024 08:16

Couldn't you just block her so you don't have any communication from her at all?

She's made her choice - him. Those daily messages are totally meaningless imo. God knows what she's playing at, she'll be OK with you and your children being hurt by him so protect yourself and them, please.

Garibaldhead · 18/07/2024 08:16

I'm so sorry, that all sounds so hard, you never deserved to be treated that way and you do deserve to be loved now.

I do wonder if it might be easier for you to have no contact for now rather than just getting these messages that are upsetting you. Then perhaps try again when your dad isn't around any more.

Well done for protecting your children from him.

roundspongecake · 18/07/2024 08:16

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:09

Thank you, yes I am sure he is still controlling her, but she could call me if she wanted to, she is choosing not to.

Can she? Or is she worried dad will overhear? She could be texting you while he's asleep/she's in the loo

buttonsB4 · 18/07/2024 08:18

He was the abuser and she was/is his enabler, he wouldn't have been able to abuse you the way he did without her help.

I'd have the stock response of "your words don't match your actions" to every declaration of love she sends on WA.

It really is the actions you need to make note of, not what she's saying/writing, because that is her true intention.

Well done for continuing to keep yourself and your children safe from the pair of them.

Sunshineafterthehail · 18/07/2024 08:19

I have been nc with my dps for 20 years. My advice is to put you and your well being above those who didn't do the same for you when you were a dc... It really is very beneficial to you and your mh to block them both.

ManchesterGirl2 · 18/07/2024 08:20

Mumoftwo1316 · 18/07/2024 08:10

She's abused you too in her way.

I agree with this. She's behaving terribly, she failed to protect you, she's just slightly less bad than your father so he gets all the blame.

stonedaisy · 18/07/2024 08:20

She has let you down in my opinion way worse than him. He has and always will be a write off as a human let alone 'father' but she has failed to protect you over and over again.. that goes against nature and instinct! She's chosen him over your well being countless times, she must be in a pit of shame as a woman and those revolting texts are her feeble attempts to keep in touch with you. She could have and should have done better than this. You'd have been better off raised by chimps in a jungle.

BMW6 · 18/07/2024 08:20

roundspongecake · 18/07/2024 08:16

Can she? Or is she worried dad will overhear? She could be texting you while he's asleep/she's in the loo

But don't you see that OP'S mum will be fine with him hurting OP and her children! What kind of person tolerates that?

Maybe she enjoys seeing OP hurt.

curious79 · 18/07/2024 08:20

Your mother enables your father’s abuse of you by allowing his complete control of her and by having stayed with him. The fact she doesn’t respect your request not to send the messages she does shows a huge amount of disregard for you.

just because your Dad is now old doesn’t mean he will suddenly turn into a nice old man. It does not work that way.

im not sure there is anything you can do. She has actively elected to stay with her abuser and, more critically, her child’s abuser. She has chosen victimhood. My husband wouldn’t see me for dust if he did what you say to my DD.

I would bock her from WhatsApp but keep telephone lines open (if that’s technically possible!)

JMSA · 18/07/2024 08:20

I am so angry for you, OP. You sound like the most wonderful person. Your father is a cunt and your mother is a useless bitch who has failed to protect you.
I'd block her for sure. Who the fuck does she think she is, messaging you these stupid messages when you've asked her not to. You need to get some fire in your belly (said very kindly and gently).
I'd message one final time with 'Actions speak louder than words' and then go non-contact.
Very best wishes to you, OP Flowers

Wordsmithery · 18/07/2024 08:21

I don't think you're missing anything. Your mother sounds horribly messed up and in thrall to this awful man. If the best she can do is send meaningless messages every day, which naturally upset you, I feel your best option would be to go very low contact. When your father dies you may be able to have an open conversation with your mother and build some bridges - if you want to.
Right now, put your efforts into your own lovely family and be proud you protected them.

ManchesterGirl2 · 18/07/2024 08:22

BonifaceBonanza · 18/07/2024 08:15

If she is in a coercive and controlling relationship do you really think OP that she would be able to call you?
Impartially we know that women in her place do seemingly terrible things as they feel unable to act outside the coercion.
I imagine your dad doesn’t know about the messages. Or he’s told her she is allowed one message a day.

Then why not write normal human messages to the OP, rather than a repeated copy and paste message?

Els1e · 18/07/2024 08:25

I would message back “Actions speak louder than words”. Sorry and sad to hear when you’ve gone through. And well done for protecting your children and keeping your boundaries.

Surprisedmystified · 18/07/2024 08:25

I think what really came over for me OP is how you stepped in to protect your children from your father's abusive behaviour. But you Mum never did that for you. You did what is natural for a parent to do. But your Mum allowed you to suffer horrendously during your childhood and she is still expecting you to accept and tolerate this awful man.

They are both abusers.

You are obviously a strong person who has survived an awful upbringing and you are being a good and protective mother to your own children.

Personally I think you should cut yourself off totally from both your parents. Put yourself and your children first because I don't think either of them deserve your love or loyalty.

eacapade1982 · 18/07/2024 08:25

This sounds weird. Are you sure it is your mum sending them and not your dad from her phone?