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What on earth is my mother doing??

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Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:05

For context I am an the adult child of an abusive father, the kind MN would always say LTB.

My father would tell us regularly he hated children, and couldn't stand us and spent most of my childhood hitting and abusing me physically and mentally. Being told he did not love me was far worse than anything he did with his fists as a child. It was devastating. He barely spoke to me when he wasn't losing his temper.

He abused my mother for years in a controlling way but stopped physically assaulting her when he started taking his temper out on us. My mother always said she would leave him, and she had many options to do so, but never did. I grew up desperate for his love and approval initially, to be even noticed enough for him to talk to me. It never happened.

Once I reached adulthood, I realised my 'normal' childhood was not normal at all, and over the years my father and I have been low contact. I remained close to my mother, mainly because he didn't want to be around us anyway beyond keeping my mother happy. My father and I settled on a very superficial relationship that was entirely empty of all meaning.

Once I had dc and he became abusive towards them (making my dc cry calling them fat and being unkind about their appearance when they were young) I went completely no contact with the help and support of MN at the time. To protect my dc. This has been the case for over six years or so. We just keep in contact with my mother which makes things very awkward at times. My mother says she is happy to stay now with him, they have worked out their differences, it suits her to stay with him, at her age.

Last year my father became very, very ill. I supported my mother, but did not contact him. I still choose to keep my children safe, and away from him. It was very hard and sad at the time. My mother said he is getting old we need to 'make up', so I gave him a choice. If my father agreed to be nice to us and not say anything harmful I will restart contact given his age and ill health.
My father refused outright on the phone - he said no and actually laughed at me. He should be able to say what he likes to us, and he will not agree to anything of the sort. I was only asking for him to promise to be kind, nothing more. I was hardly asking for the world.

There was no way I was going to restart contact with him basically telling me he would continue to abuse me/us (as he has always done)

Since then my mother has completely stopped calling. She seemingly will not forgive me for stopping contact and ruining her illusion of a 'happy family'. She has not visited my house in over five years, and refuses to meet me other than from her house (which is very triggering now for me being there, I sometimes have panic attacks when I am outside because I am still so afraid of my father) unless I collect her a few times a year I would never see her. I had a serious illness at the beginning of this year that could have been a terminal diagnosis, she did not even call me then or offer any support whatsoever. I was so hurt by her total indifference. She really did not seem to care.

What she does every day, is send me a WA message saying she loves me to the 'moon and back' and variations of very over the top love messages which feel very insincere and sickly.

I don't FEEL remotely loved by her.

The messages and words feel completely empty to me. I don't know why she sends them, and I have no idea how to respond to her. I asked her to please stop because they were upsetting me, but she carries on anyway. The same message on repeat every single day of undying love, but she never calls or asks how we are in the messages. I am expected to do all of the calling and all of the visiting still regardless of my health. These 'issues' seem irrelevant to her. She sometimes talks about the weather but nothing else, ever. It feels really pointless. I have tried to engage with her properly and she then retreats into silent treatment and this can last for months at a time.

I am so confused.

What is happening here? Why is she sending these messages to me?

It feels like she has cut me off to all intents and purposes, and her daily text hurts me because it seems like she is saying she loves me, but it doesn't feel like she loves or cares about me at all.

I have no idea what I should do about this now.

What am I missing about this situation?

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Knitgoodwoman · 18/07/2024 08:26

Sorry I think she’s also abused you op.
people make decisions and she’ll understand what her decision has done to you. People aren’t that thick.
I feel for you Op, I’m no contact with both my mum and dad and it is hard.

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:26

It is a copy and paste message. It is the same every day. It never changes.

I think in some ways it might be her conscience, she knows and remembers what happened to us as children, she choose herself then and she chooses herself now. And that feels like the real reason. She wants to stay with him, she has told me clearly he does everything for her to make up for his transgressions in their early marriage. I believe he is still controlling, but she is not a total victim either and can and does stand up to him when it suits her (like a new patio, a car etc). She just never chooses to do so for me, and never has.

I think I could live with just the odd message from her that did not have the love bombing element, but it is awful receiving messages like this from someone that really does not seem to care if she ever sees me again.

I don't know how to approach this. If I block her and something happens to her (she is 78) I may never see her again. I feel cornered.

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DoreenonTill8 · 18/07/2024 08:26

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 18/07/2024 08:15

Absolutely she did, and still is, trying to force contact with this disgusting violent man. I don’t think I’d have much trouble or guilt blocking her and getting on with life.

Absolutely this, she is horrific, and it's very horrible mental abuse.
She is Absolutely selfish, going along with his abuse in public but then reeling you in with these messages to just allow her and his abuse again. And they've done this to you since you were a child. Would you stand and watch someone assault your children and tell your child 'oh its better for me for this to happen to you'?!!
Absolutely block and leave her to his shitty behaviour, she's got you on the leash so his abuse is on you, and she's keeping it away from herself.

andtheendwasgone · 18/07/2024 08:26

She is abused and brainwashed

She is in the habit of texting you the similar messages as it makes her feel better

She is abusive and chose her husband over you

This is draining you. Cut her off. You have done all you can to

You deserve better

AutumnFroglets · 18/07/2024 08:28

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:09

Thank you, yes I am sure he is still controlling her, but she could call me if she wanted to, she is choosing not to.

Your mother does not have free will. if you don't have free will then you cannot choose. Your father doesn't need to physically do anything to your mother, just the mere threat of punishment or even a look can keep her in line. He's been training her over many years to do exactly what he wants. Coercive control is very real and very insidious and it will be him blocking her from seeing you, or doing it only at the house.

The texts to you are how she really feels about you. She loves you but she can't reach you. If he dies before her then you will see the real her. Don't block a broken woman, it is NOT her fault.

FOJN · 18/07/2024 08:28

Does her motivation matter? You are hurt and confused by her behaviour. She is damaged by the abusive relationship with your father so I doubt she would be able to give a reason for her behaviour which would take away your hurt and confusion.

I think you have to accept that your mum loves you in a way that will always hurt and confused you because she doesn't know how to do otherwise.

I'm sorry for the way your parents have treated you but I think you have to accept that neither of them are capable of showing you love and they certainly won't be able to repair the the damage they've done.

I would cut all contact (easier said than done) and stop trying to work out why your damaged and abusive parents behave in damaging and abusive ways. It is not and never has been anything to do with how lovable you are, they are broken, you can't fix them so you must save yourself.

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:29

eacapade1982 · 18/07/2024 08:25

This sounds weird. Are you sure it is your mum sending them and not your dad from her phone?

It is definitely her, there is a string of emojis she alway uses.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 18/07/2024 08:31

She feels guilty and is using these messages to harass you. In repeating them she is demanding a certain response in order to make her feel better about her poisonous choices.

I’m so sorry @Hummingbird75 , for all you’ve been through, for your mother weaponising words of love now for her own purposes.

Maybe you could say one last thing to her, that what you need is for her to call you again, and to stop the daily messages, and you can go from there - otherwise you will need to have a break from a relationship which is causing you nothing but pain.

💐☕️

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:31

AutumnFroglets · 18/07/2024 08:28

Your mother does not have free will. if you don't have free will then you cannot choose. Your father doesn't need to physically do anything to your mother, just the mere threat of punishment or even a look can keep her in line. He's been training her over many years to do exactly what he wants. Coercive control is very real and very insidious and it will be him blocking her from seeing you, or doing it only at the house.

The texts to you are how she really feels about you. She loves you but she can't reach you. If he dies before her then you will see the real her. Don't block a broken woman, it is NOT her fault.

I am afraid there is an element of this that might be true, how does she have the time and free will to call and see everyone else but me? That is the thing that is bothering me. She calls her friends, her sister, cousin, my brother and his wife. But not me.

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Gymmum82 · 18/07/2024 08:31

Have you tried replying with you’re a shit mum, you’ve let me down, I don’t love you, you don’t deserve to be a mother. Honestly those are the things I’d send. I’d also block her and not give a shit if I ever saw her again. She’s absolutely vile as is your dad

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:34

AtrociousCircumstance · 18/07/2024 08:31

She feels guilty and is using these messages to harass you. In repeating them she is demanding a certain response in order to make her feel better about her poisonous choices.

I’m so sorry @Hummingbird75 , for all you’ve been through, for your mother weaponising words of love now for her own purposes.

Maybe you could say one last thing to her, that what you need is for her to call you again, and to stop the daily messages, and you can go from there - otherwise you will need to have a break from a relationship which is causing you nothing but pain.

💐☕️

Yes I think there is an element of guilt and that is why she continues to say she loves me 'endlessly' and to the 'moon and back'
She knows how much I have been hurt.
We have offered for her to live with us. We have a small cottage she could live in, and she has had many offers from others in the family. She does not want to leave him.
What she wants is for us to put up his abuse for her sake.

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Humberston · 18/07/2024 08:35

Firstly, well done for protecting your children by not allowing your father contact with them. That's really admirable.

I believe your mum is sending you those daily messages to prove to herself that she is a good mother. On some level she knows how badly she's failed you and the texts serve to quieten that knowledge because she can say to herself (and anyone else) "...but I tell my daughter everyday that I love her", thus making out you are the problem. It's simply the latest in a long series of selfish behaviour by her, ie putting her needs way above yours.

You could block her but I understand that you do hope to be close to her again in the future, so that will feel too permanent. So all you can really do is ignore them, because they're not actually meant for you, they're entirely for herself.

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:35

AtrociousCircumstance · 18/07/2024 08:31

She feels guilty and is using these messages to harass you. In repeating them she is demanding a certain response in order to make her feel better about her poisonous choices.

I’m so sorry @Hummingbird75 , for all you’ve been through, for your mother weaponising words of love now for her own purposes.

Maybe you could say one last thing to her, that what you need is for her to call you again, and to stop the daily messages, and you can go from there - otherwise you will need to have a break from a relationship which is causing you nothing but pain.

💐☕️

I have asked her already that I need a proper relationship with her, for her to call sometimes, to show some real interest. She agreed and did nothing.

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Oldfatandfrumpy · 18/07/2024 08:36

I would go back and say 'mum, love is shown through actions not words, so while things remain as they are I'll continue to take that with a big pinch of salt'

It's possible it's how she feels OR she's just doing it to make herself feel better and so she can tell herself/others she isn't being a shitty mother 'because hummingbird knows I love her, I tell her every day'. I'd want to be very clear to her that isn't the case

Cheeseandpickleroll · 18/07/2024 08:36

When you have children you put them first over and above your relationship. She chose to stay with a man who not only harmed her but harmed her children, that's a very very damaged person who clearly doesn't understand what it means to be loved or to love others. She's attached to you all but doesn't love you.

Cut them all off and make a better life for your family.

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:36

Humberston · 18/07/2024 08:35

Firstly, well done for protecting your children by not allowing your father contact with them. That's really admirable.

I believe your mum is sending you those daily messages to prove to herself that she is a good mother. On some level she knows how badly she's failed you and the texts serve to quieten that knowledge because she can say to herself (and anyone else) "...but I tell my daughter everyday that I love her", thus making out you are the problem. It's simply the latest in a long series of selfish behaviour by her, ie putting her needs way above yours.

You could block her but I understand that you do hope to be close to her again in the future, so that will feel too permanent. So all you can really do is ignore them, because they're not actually meant for you, they're entirely for herself.

I think that it is it, it makes HER feel better. That she has been a good mother because she sends these love messages.

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iamtheblcksheep · 18/07/2024 08:36

She is an abused woman who can no longer differentiate what is normal in any kind of relationship.

LittleMonks11 · 18/07/2024 08:39

Your post almost made me cry. I'm so sorry you endured such a horrific childhood.

Do you have siblings? If so, what is their situation within this toxic dynamic?

If it was me, I'd send her one last WA saying that she knows your boundaries for resuming a relationship with her and your father but until they are respected you will not be reading any more messages. That she knows your number if she has a change of heart. Then give her a few days to reply. Then if she just sends the same old baloney message - block. Move on and don't let them hurt you any longer. Live your life in mental freedom. Consider therapy/counselling if you haven't already.

🌸

Scandiviews1 · 18/07/2024 08:40

Some people just aren't cut out to be parents and put their children first. Your mum is one of those people and by sending texts she's doing it for herself and just trying to feel.less guilty for being a hopeless mother. She didnt protect you in your childhood. She puts your dad first over her own children. I think sometimes you just have to take a step back, realise that she won't change now and accept that you and your children aren't her priority. You should only give what you get back so you don't need to keep in contact with her and you should feel no guilt about that. You have your own lovely family now and can cut the ties of the old bad one.

velvetcoat · 18/07/2024 08:40

OP - I am so sorry that you didnt have the parents you deserved. Yes, coercive control is very frightening and inhibiting but I am sorry, there is no excuse for your mother here. She allowed her daughter to be physically and emotionally abused. It's one thing to put up with abuse yourself, its another entirely to allow your vulnerable children to be abused as well and thats where most people would draw the line no matter how difficult it was to leave. Adults have choices. Children do not- they are completely at the mercy of their parents.

Her texts may be how she feels but its hollow isnt it because if she really did love you to the moon and back she would have protected you when you needed it and she didnt.

I agree there is an element of guilt here- she knows deep down she has failed you and the texts are about appeasing her own conscience.

I think there comes a point where self care is so vital that it overrides a need to "be kind" to others and for me this would be it. I would block both of them.

You may be able to salvage a relationship with her when your father dies but right now, this is causing you massive pain. You dont need to just put up with it- for once, put yourself first because up until now, noone has. Be the mother to yourself that you never had.

Big support to you. x

Cantalever · 18/07/2024 08:43

Can you get her to read this thread, OP? Her behaviour is so confusing, but if you could get an idea of why she acts as she does now (rather than the past), would it help you to know what to do about NC? You are amazing to have survived these parents and made good relationships with your own DC.🌺

saraclara · 18/07/2024 08:44

love is shown through actions not words

I'd send that as a C&P response every time.

I've been there. The absolute worst times were when my abusive mother would be over sentimental and gushing about how much she loved me. Yet behaving in the opposite way.

I used to come home to these horrible syrupy voice mails. They turned my stomach.

mrsdineen2 · 18/07/2024 08:44

AutumnFroglets · 18/07/2024 08:28

Your mother does not have free will. if you don't have free will then you cannot choose. Your father doesn't need to physically do anything to your mother, just the mere threat of punishment or even a look can keep her in line. He's been training her over many years to do exactly what he wants. Coercive control is very real and very insidious and it will be him blocking her from seeing you, or doing it only at the house.

The texts to you are how she really feels about you. She loves you but she can't reach you. If he dies before her then you will see the real her. Don't block a broken woman, it is NOT her fault.

Don't tell an abused woman to pity her abuser.

almay · 18/07/2024 08:44

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:36

I think that it is it, it makes HER feel better. That she has been a good mother because she sends these love messages.

I think that’s exactly it OP, she’s ticking a box for herself to say “well I’m a good mother I tell her every day how much I love her and she doesn’t respond”. I would honestly mute and archive the chat and check it periodically in case there is something important she’s messaging you about but at least you have the control then

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