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Friend won’t take the hint about my house

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 09:56

I have a good friend who I met about six years ago, but only really became very friendly with during lockdown, as I was furloughed and she was caring for her sick father, meaning that as two single people, we had a lot of time for messaging and video calls.

As we live on opposite sides of London, we’ve always met centrally or in specific locations rather than visiting one another’s homes. She’s never been to my place; I’ve been to hers once when she had a tribute evening for her father after he died. That was something everyone she knew was invited to; she’s never invited me there one on one. This hasn’t ever been an issue for me, as there’s no point in either of us trekking across the city unless there’s a real reason to go to the other’s house (e.g. a party).

However, lately she has developed a real bugbear about not having been to my house. At every opportunity, it’s “I can’t believe I still haven’t been to your place! We need to sort out a time”. We’ll be making plans for something else and she’ll throw in, “Yeah, let’s do that - and we need to sort out when I’m coming round to yours too! I really want to see your place!” We were looking at an event near to me and it was, “Ooh, great - and I can see your house too! As I STILL haven’t seen it…” (complete with mock hurt face).

Now, I struggle with housework at the best of times. I don’t like mess, but I just get overwhelmed. However, at the moment it’s worse for a variety of reasons. A relative is storing some stuff here while they’re abroad, so I have less space. Everything seems to be breaking at once too. I’ve just bought a new washing machine, so I’m behind with laundry; the fridge freezer is about to die; plus the hob is now taking turns between either refusing to light at all or taking my bloody eyebrows off. The whole house needs time and money spending on it before I’m ready for guests.

I have TOLD my friend this. I tell her every time she brings it up. I’ve been completely honest about why I’m not ready for guests at the moment and have said I’m going to have a party at some point (realistically Christmas) once everything is a bit straighter. She isn’t listening. It’s always “Awwh, I don’t mind; you should see the mess my place is in sometimes!” - or worse “But I could help you! I love tidying up; it’s my thing, I’ll help!” The latter is my worst nightmare - I let another friend “help” once after she made a big thing about being a big declutterer and I wanted to cry within about five minutes.

AIBU to think she needs to respect my feelings for the moment? It’s not about her not being welcome; I don’t want anyone here at the moment. And it’s not like I’m around there every week and never return the hospitality - like I say, I’ve only been there once. I feel like I need to say that this topic is off limits until I say otherwise, even at the risk of offending her, because it’s becoming stressful having to fend this off every time we meet.

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SBHon · 17/07/2024 10:01

What was it about your other friend helping that made you so upset? Was she trying to throw things away?

LolaJ87 · 17/07/2024 10:04

Your house, your boundaries. If you don't want anyone around, that's your choice. That being said, I would find it odd if I hadn't been invited to someone's home after years of friendship. I don't think she wants to judge you on how efficient your hob is working, just to see how where you live. It sounds like the longer it goes on, the more it's becoming a "thing".

My house is a shambles with a toddler and an elderly dog, but whenever I get stressy about people seeing it I remember that they're there to see me, not my dusty skirting boards.

Is this friend judgemental or is it just something you're anxious about?

Pelani · 17/07/2024 10:04

Just politely but assertively say to her what you’ve said in your last paragraph.

She is being too pushy, but tbh I don’t really get people who think their home has to be in a perfect state before they can show it to people. However, if that’s how you feel, that’s your prerogative.

purplecorkheart · 17/07/2024 10:07

I would tell her that no one is visiting your house until you are hosting you party and that she needs to respect your decision. If she still keeps pushing it I would tell her that her she is upsetting you and is making you question your friendship given her lack of respect to your boundaries.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 10:15

LolaJ87 · 17/07/2024 10:04

Your house, your boundaries. If you don't want anyone around, that's your choice. That being said, I would find it odd if I hadn't been invited to someone's home after years of friendship. I don't think she wants to judge you on how efficient your hob is working, just to see how where you live. It sounds like the longer it goes on, the more it's becoming a "thing".

My house is a shambles with a toddler and an elderly dog, but whenever I get stressy about people seeing it I remember that they're there to see me, not my dusty skirting boards.

Is this friend judgemental or is it just something you're anxious about?

But what if you hadn’t invited them either? As I say, there was this one event months ago, but she’s never invited me for dinner or a film night or anything like that.

The “But I’m here to see you, not your house!” thing doesn’t really apply here, as a) It’s much easier for us to see one another elsewhere and b) she specifically makes a thing of wanting to see the house.

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 10:18

SBHon · 17/07/2024 10:01

What was it about your other friend helping that made you so upset? Was she trying to throw things away?

She was barely through the door before she was picking things up saying, “Right, what’s this? Is this where it’s supposed to be? Can we get rid of it, or do we need to put it away somewhere? Yes? No?” I felt like my head was spinning. I left the kitchen for a few minutes and returned to find a full bin bag and most of the food in my fridge gone because “It was out of date” - things like a full bag of carrots that was two days out of date and would have been fine for two weeks.

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Shineabrightlight · 17/07/2024 10:21

Of course she should respect your boundaries.

It's your home and entirely up to you who you invite into to it and when you invite them in to it. There is no compulsion on you to invite any one at all.

I don't like inviting people into my home. It is my own private space and I am very wary of other people coming in to it. I know this is a " me " issue stemming from a childhood of not really having my own private space. My belongings special to me weren't respected in any way. So now I take pleasure in my own place surrounded by things I value personally and I'm protective of it.

I dont know why your riend is making such a big issue of coming to yours as visiting each others homes has not been normal in your friendship - you say you've only been to hers once. You've explained why it's not what you want. She Is not respecting you by trying to force herself on you.

ichifanny · 17/07/2024 10:24

Honestly just try sort your house out , I have been there with house mess and it’s so much more freeing to be able to invite people in and not worry about anyone seeing the state you live in . You are anxious about your house and projecting onto and blaming your friend . It’s much easier to solve the main problem than fall out with people.

loropianalover · 17/07/2024 10:24

Sorry OP it sounds to me she just wants to see how bad it is, and what you’re living like. It’s a bit weird. Just keep fobbing her off or don’t even acknowledge her when she brings up the house.

You deserve a clean space though. What about hiring a skip for the weekend and then a cleaner for an hour or two?

AtrociousCircumstance · 17/07/2024 10:25

“Friend, I’m not rejecting you and I really value our friendship and spending time with you - I just don’t want anyone around to mine for a while and I’d like you to please stop asking. Let’s continue to meet up and I’ll let you know if things change. Until then, let’s leave it, ok? Thanks.”

maudelovesharold · 17/07/2024 10:29

I think it would annoy me to the extent that the next time she mentioned it, I’d just say ‘Ok, come over on Saturday for a cup of tea, and don’t say I didn’t warn you!’
Don’t do anything by way of tidying, and let her see it at its worst. If she’s a real friend she won’t be judgemental. If she expresses any disquiet tell her triumphantly that you told her so! At least you won’t have the elephant in the room any more.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 17/07/2024 10:30

She is being weird about it, but in fairness it is weird that you have not invited her over in six years. I know you have only been to her house once, but you have seen where she lives, who she lives with, and generally what is going on with her. In your case, she feels you are withholding something, and maybe believes it is more than just a bit of mess.

Personally I would just invite her over so she can see it is just mess, make clear to her that she is not going to interfere with it, and then once she knows you don't have a secret family or live in a tree she will settle down and back off.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 17/07/2024 10:31

maudelovesharold · 17/07/2024 10:29

I think it would annoy me to the extent that the next time she mentioned it, I’d just say ‘Ok, come over on Saturday for a cup of tea, and don’t say I didn’t warn you!’
Don’t do anything by way of tidying, and let her see it at its worst. If she’s a real friend she won’t be judgemental. If she expresses any disquiet tell her triumphantly that you told her so! At least you won’t have the elephant in the room any more.

Yes, I agree with all of this.

bfrgggdsryvfg · 17/07/2024 10:31

Your friend sounds quite rude. If visiting each others houses isn’t the thing you both would normally do, I would question why she is being so pushy to visit your house. I had a person in my life who was pushy in the same way as your friend, I didn’t think much of it and let her come around. Then I discovered I was being gossiped about in an exaggerated way - one crisp wrapper became ‘rubbish everywhere’, the bath having soap suds in it from my bath that day became ‘the bathroom looked like it hadn’t been cleaned for a week’ and some dust on a skirting board was photographed! It’s made me far more cautious about who I let through my door.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 17/07/2024 10:34

This insistence to see your house would annoy me. You happily meet elsewhere so what's her obsession? I have a good friend who I worked with and have known for years. I have never been invited to her house but she is quite open that no-one else has. Her home is her sanctuary plus she is extremely germ phobic and having people in her house would stress her. Do I constantly bring it up? No, I'm her friend and we meet elsewhere. She's never been in my house either because of her phobia. None of it bothers me. Definitely tell her the topic is off limits.

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 10:36

yup, any kind of pushiness in a "friendship" would be a huge no for me. You say you became close during covid and I do wonder if you really know her at all? As for your other "friend", that behaviour would have made me explode and I get why you are feeling once bitten.

user1492757084 · 17/07/2024 10:37

Stick to your guns.

It is much more relaxing for you meeting friends at cafe's etc and you deserve to have your opinion respected.
If your friend wants to see you she will not be overly fussed with your home and going there.

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 10:38

user1492757084 · 17/07/2024 10:37

Stick to your guns.

It is much more relaxing for you meeting friends at cafe's etc and you deserve to have your opinion respected.
If your friend wants to see you she will not be overly fussed with your home and going there.

I agree. I think that the "let her in and then she will shut up" camp are being unrealistic.

DeedlessIndeed · 17/07/2024 10:44

Do you think she is assuming you have a house-keeping problem and trying to see it in person so that she can fix it? Otherwise I just don't understand what her motives are for pushing to see your house after you've explained it is inconvenient.

Either way, if she wanted to be supportive she is going about it completely the wrong way.

I think issues with hoarding / housekeeping are deeply personal. Similarly to being overweight or having an addiction, no external force is going to change the person. What makes it more complex is that in these situations, people become ultra sensitive to judgement, so even well-meaning friends can be perceived as judging.

She needs to just back off and let it rest.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 10:44

You are anxious about your house and projecting onto and blaming your friend .

I don’t see how I’m blaming her or “projecting”. It’s entirely my fault that it’s untidy. But I don’t see what’s wrong with expecting someone to listen when I say “Not right now”.

You say you became close during covid and I do wonder if you really know her at all?

That was just how we first got close; we’ve had plenty of time to get to know each other properly now. She’s a lovely friend in so many other ways and I don’t think she’s doing this to upset me; it just isn’t going in that I don’t want to be reassured that a bit of mess doesn’t matter. I want to deal with it in my way in my own time.

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 10:46

Anyway, I have bigger things to worry about now - the dying fridge freezer is officially dead 😵 I just poured milk into my tea and it came out in a solid lump 🤢

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JurassicClark · 17/07/2024 10:46

SBHon · 17/07/2024 10:01

What was it about your other friend helping that made you so upset? Was she trying to throw things away?

I’ve “helped” two friends declutter. For one, it was a dream. Her husband was the hoarder and she was delighted to have space free. She had asked for help as she was overwhelmed facing it herself.

The other was when my friend was hoarder herself. It was a nightmare for everyone concerned, despite having been asked to do it. Four friendships were put on the line.

Decluttering is extremely emotional for the one who keeps the stuff.

StayHomePeo · 17/07/2024 10:49

Honestly I’m a bit weird about people coming to my house - we have a running joke that you know I really love you if you can come to ours 😂

I don’t know why I just hate it!

DH invited the neighbour and his kids over to play with DCs in the garden without me knowing - it was actually really cute but I was irrationally fuming when I came home and they were in the garden

greenpolarbear · 17/07/2024 10:49

This just makes me glad I don't live in London, you only need to pass through to feel the hostility from the people who live there. In no other place in the world would people actively try to keep their friends at arm's length from their homes to the point they've never even been once in several years (and even then try to find more ways to justify it as if the other person is the problem). They're your friend, not your MIL or a Jehovah's witness.

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 10:58

greenpolarbear · 17/07/2024 10:49

This just makes me glad I don't live in London, you only need to pass through to feel the hostility from the people who live there. In no other place in the world would people actively try to keep their friends at arm's length from their homes to the point they've never even been once in several years (and even then try to find more ways to justify it as if the other person is the problem). They're your friend, not your MIL or a Jehovah's witness.

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oh get over yourself