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Friend won’t take the hint about my house

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 09:56

I have a good friend who I met about six years ago, but only really became very friendly with during lockdown, as I was furloughed and she was caring for her sick father, meaning that as two single people, we had a lot of time for messaging and video calls.

As we live on opposite sides of London, we’ve always met centrally or in specific locations rather than visiting one another’s homes. She’s never been to my place; I’ve been to hers once when she had a tribute evening for her father after he died. That was something everyone she knew was invited to; she’s never invited me there one on one. This hasn’t ever been an issue for me, as there’s no point in either of us trekking across the city unless there’s a real reason to go to the other’s house (e.g. a party).

However, lately she has developed a real bugbear about not having been to my house. At every opportunity, it’s “I can’t believe I still haven’t been to your place! We need to sort out a time”. We’ll be making plans for something else and she’ll throw in, “Yeah, let’s do that - and we need to sort out when I’m coming round to yours too! I really want to see your place!” We were looking at an event near to me and it was, “Ooh, great - and I can see your house too! As I STILL haven’t seen it…” (complete with mock hurt face).

Now, I struggle with housework at the best of times. I don’t like mess, but I just get overwhelmed. However, at the moment it’s worse for a variety of reasons. A relative is storing some stuff here while they’re abroad, so I have less space. Everything seems to be breaking at once too. I’ve just bought a new washing machine, so I’m behind with laundry; the fridge freezer is about to die; plus the hob is now taking turns between either refusing to light at all or taking my bloody eyebrows off. The whole house needs time and money spending on it before I’m ready for guests.

I have TOLD my friend this. I tell her every time she brings it up. I’ve been completely honest about why I’m not ready for guests at the moment and have said I’m going to have a party at some point (realistically Christmas) once everything is a bit straighter. She isn’t listening. It’s always “Awwh, I don’t mind; you should see the mess my place is in sometimes!” - or worse “But I could help you! I love tidying up; it’s my thing, I’ll help!” The latter is my worst nightmare - I let another friend “help” once after she made a big thing about being a big declutterer and I wanted to cry within about five minutes.

AIBU to think she needs to respect my feelings for the moment? It’s not about her not being welcome; I don’t want anyone here at the moment. And it’s not like I’m around there every week and never return the hospitality - like I say, I’ve only been there once. I feel like I need to say that this topic is off limits until I say otherwise, even at the risk of offending her, because it’s becoming stressful having to fend this off every time we meet.

OP posts:
PerkyMintDeer · 17/07/2024 13:05

"Friend, I'm going to say this once more and I'm afraid I can't discuss it again as I'm finding it upsetting. As much as I would love to have you round, I have explained the reasons why it's simply not possible. It's nothing personal, it's just that it's not a suitable place to entertain any visitors right now. When I am in a better position, I will invite you. But that may not be for quite a long time, so please don't bring it up again. Our current set up works really well for me, and I'd like to carry on meeting you at a mutual convenient location, if that's ok with you?"

RobinEllacotStrike · 17/07/2024 13:06

I think the sign of a true friend is when you accept each other, when you can have someone in your home in all its messy glory without having to run the hoover around first.

IMO (as a non native Brit) its a very British thing to not want anyone in your home until you have it in a certain state of tidyness. I've become more like this after living here - but I use it more as an excuse to keep people out as I know its generally accepted.

When I made a new friend during lockdown - who lives locally so I see alot now - after a while we both commented on how we have elevated each other to "pop in without invite, take me as you find me" status. Its a good place to be.

MintTwirl · 17/07/2024 13:15

She is either nosey or she is worried about you and wants to help. If you don’t want someone in your home that’s fine but please do make your home somewhere nice and comfy that you enjoy being for yourself.

FictionalCharacter · 17/07/2024 13:18

Bloody hell, there are some weird assumptions on this thread. OP is a hoarder, has ADHD, has never had anyone in her house ever, is part of some mythical London culture where nobody goes to each other’s houses?! We’re just missing the suggestion that’s she’s perimenopausal or has dementia and then we’ll have the full bingo card.
What’s with this idea that OP has some kind of obligation to host the friend, or that the friend has some kind of right to see her house? Do some people not believe that we all have a right to decide who comes to our houses, and when?
OP has been to the friends house just once, and that was when everyone else was invited. Friend is being very pushy about seeing the house and has made it clear that it’s seeing the house that she’s interested in, not visiting OP. She also wants to “help” OP tidy up and OP doesn’t want that.
As PPs have suggested @SlovenlyOldSlut , you need to tell her firmly to stop going on about it and ignore the sad face and pouty lip.

Hellskitchen24 · 17/07/2024 13:18

She sounds kind but a bit infantile. You’ve explained why you don’t have people over and that’s that.

I’m the same as you. I’ve good got friends whose homes look like show homes; mines a dump, hence they’ve never seen it. I’m working on it bit by bit but renovations are so expensive and it’s just a money pit. They respect this. We aren’t children so we meet out for a drink, lunch etc. It’s never been an issue?

suburburban · 17/07/2024 13:19

I think I would go berserk if someone went in my fridge like that and chucked my food away

Talk about overstepping- who does that

No wonder you don't want her there

suburburban · 17/07/2024 13:20

Oh I see a different friend but it has left you anxious if this friend would be the same?

EasternEcho · 17/07/2024 13:22

Since the OP and this friend have been good friends for 6 years, I get the feeling the over the years OP may have said enough things for the friend to feel a little concerned about OPs living conditions and just wants to help.

That, along with some of the other things that OP has said about another friend who came to declutter and was picking up stuff right away from entering the front door, and filling a bin bag with most of the stuff in the fridge being out of date, although the carrots were only 2 days out of date etc. Picking up on these signs, it does seem like you, OP, have a clutter and perhaps a hoarding problem that you don't want people to know about. Granted it's your home and you can keep out anyone you wish, but I think this friend's persistence is coming from a place of concern. You are also being very defensive for having started an AIBU and posters tell you what they think.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 17/07/2024 13:24

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 12:14

At no point have I said I’ve never had anyone in my house in the last six years.

You've known her for six years and you've never invited her to your house. That's what your OP says, doesn't it?

Gummybear23 · 17/07/2024 13:25

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 09:56

I have a good friend who I met about six years ago, but only really became very friendly with during lockdown, as I was furloughed and she was caring for her sick father, meaning that as two single people, we had a lot of time for messaging and video calls.

As we live on opposite sides of London, we’ve always met centrally or in specific locations rather than visiting one another’s homes. She’s never been to my place; I’ve been to hers once when she had a tribute evening for her father after he died. That was something everyone she knew was invited to; she’s never invited me there one on one. This hasn’t ever been an issue for me, as there’s no point in either of us trekking across the city unless there’s a real reason to go to the other’s house (e.g. a party).

However, lately she has developed a real bugbear about not having been to my house. At every opportunity, it’s “I can’t believe I still haven’t been to your place! We need to sort out a time”. We’ll be making plans for something else and she’ll throw in, “Yeah, let’s do that - and we need to sort out when I’m coming round to yours too! I really want to see your place!” We were looking at an event near to me and it was, “Ooh, great - and I can see your house too! As I STILL haven’t seen it…” (complete with mock hurt face).

Now, I struggle with housework at the best of times. I don’t like mess, but I just get overwhelmed. However, at the moment it’s worse for a variety of reasons. A relative is storing some stuff here while they’re abroad, so I have less space. Everything seems to be breaking at once too. I’ve just bought a new washing machine, so I’m behind with laundry; the fridge freezer is about to die; plus the hob is now taking turns between either refusing to light at all or taking my bloody eyebrows off. The whole house needs time and money spending on it before I’m ready for guests.

I have TOLD my friend this. I tell her every time she brings it up. I’ve been completely honest about why I’m not ready for guests at the moment and have said I’m going to have a party at some point (realistically Christmas) once everything is a bit straighter. She isn’t listening. It’s always “Awwh, I don’t mind; you should see the mess my place is in sometimes!” - or worse “But I could help you! I love tidying up; it’s my thing, I’ll help!” The latter is my worst nightmare - I let another friend “help” once after she made a big thing about being a big declutterer and I wanted to cry within about five minutes.

AIBU to think she needs to respect my feelings for the moment? It’s not about her not being welcome; I don’t want anyone here at the moment. And it’s not like I’m around there every week and never return the hospitality - like I say, I’ve only been there once. I feel like I need to say that this topic is off limits until I say otherwise, even at the risk of offending her, because it’s becoming stressful having to fend this off every time we meet.

Send her this message in an email.

Be open.

Puffalicious · 17/07/2024 13:30

ichifanny · 17/07/2024 10:24

Honestly just try sort your house out , I have been there with house mess and it’s so much more freeing to be able to invite people in and not worry about anyone seeing the state you live in . You are anxious about your house and projecting onto and blaming your friend . It’s much easier to solve the main problem than fall out with people.

This. I hear time & time again on here people getting so stressed about their houses. Why people can't just tidy up a bit always amazes me. It doesn't need to be a Palace, just clean (ish) & tidy enough for a sit down & a cuppa.

Even if people are ND there are loads of 'body doubling' videos online now. There really is no point stressing about it all.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 13:33

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 17/07/2024 13:24

You've known her for six years and you've never invited her to your house. That's what your OP says, doesn't it?

But have I ever said I haven’t had anyone in the house in the last six years?

Pre-lockdown, I really didn’t know her well enough to invite her over. During lockdown I couldn’t. That’s three of your six years covered! And I have explained again and again that we live an hour apart.

I keep seeing your name on this thread and I feel like you’re just prodding and prodding and are determined to wound.

OP posts:
FrankieStein403 · 17/07/2024 13:34

Send her link to street view of house front, plus photo of 'stored stuff' saying it would upset you to have visitors while that 'stuff' was there. If she ignores your 'upset' then shut down friendship.?

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 13:39

Why people can't just tidy up a bit always amazes me.

Well maybe it amazes you, but it isn’t necessarily that easy for everyone. I need to feel comfortable.

OP posts:
Rarararaaararah · 17/07/2024 13:42

Pelani · 17/07/2024 11:04

At a certain point if you feel close to someone as a friend, it feels natural to want to see their base and where they spend their time, the choices they’ve made in terms of location/setting, the books/plants/art/whatever they’ve chosen to have around them, and to show them yours - it’s just a natural progression of the friendship. I’ve got friends in another city and we don’t visit often, but since we’ve each seen each other’s places, we can easily picture each other going about our day to day when we talk.

Yes it’s possible that some people have an unpleasant agenda or are busybodies - that story about the woman who photographed dust on the skirting board is awful - but in a way that’s why inviting someone home feels like stepping up the friendship, because you’re showing you trust them and you don’t think they’re that kind of person.

In a world that mostly isn’t full of shelters, it’s also nice if you become good friends and live reasonably close by to have a kind of occasional ‘shelter’ or comfy place beyond your own home where you can curl up on the sofa, drink tea, chat etc - a cafe just isn’t the same. In my experience, yes it can be extra work to host, but if you like someone there’s also really something nice about taking care of them. I used to live near where I worked and a couple of work friends who hadn’t been to my house before were in the office one day when I wasn’t and got soaked in the rain. It was nice to be able to invite them to mine to dry off, have a hot drink etc, and be a bit of a sanctuary at that moment, when they’d done other nice things for me.

She shouldn’t be pushy, and ultimately it’s up to you, but there are a few posts on this thread that make it sound like seeing a friend’s house is a totally unnecessary extra to a friendship. That’s not my feeling about it at all.

That was interesting to read. I've never once felt the compulsion to see a friends home

KirstenBlest · 17/07/2024 13:45

Puffalicious · 17/07/2024 13:30

This. I hear time & time again on here people getting so stressed about their houses. Why people can't just tidy up a bit always amazes me. It doesn't need to be a Palace, just clean (ish) & tidy enough for a sit down & a cuppa.

Even if people are ND there are loads of 'body doubling' videos online now. There really is no point stressing about it all.

You really haven't a clue have you.

Marmiteontoastgirlie · 17/07/2024 13:50

she is being a bit weird being so insistent. At the same time I don’t really feel like I’m properly friends with someone until I’ve been to their house! I have a friend who has never had me over and our friendship has really remained surface level.

Macaroni46 · 17/07/2024 13:51

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 17/07/2024 11:23

CHAOS - Can't Have Anyone Over Syndrome. It's very common.

I hope that you resolve this without compromising your boundaries.

Well it is on MN. Never come across it in real life 🤷‍♀️

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:52

EasternEcho · 17/07/2024 13:22

Since the OP and this friend have been good friends for 6 years, I get the feeling the over the years OP may have said enough things for the friend to feel a little concerned about OPs living conditions and just wants to help.

That, along with some of the other things that OP has said about another friend who came to declutter and was picking up stuff right away from entering the front door, and filling a bin bag with most of the stuff in the fridge being out of date, although the carrots were only 2 days out of date etc. Picking up on these signs, it does seem like you, OP, have a clutter and perhaps a hoarding problem that you don't want people to know about. Granted it's your home and you can keep out anyone you wish, but I think this friend's persistence is coming from a place of concern. You are also being very defensive for having started an AIBU and posters tell you what they think.

"just wants to help" well she can stfu then.

Rarararaaararah · 17/07/2024 13:53

Puffalicious · 17/07/2024 13:30

This. I hear time & time again on here people getting so stressed about their houses. Why people can't just tidy up a bit always amazes me. It doesn't need to be a Palace, just clean (ish) & tidy enough for a sit down & a cuppa.

Even if people are ND there are loads of 'body doubling' videos online now. There really is no point stressing about it all.

Ohhhh there's body doubling videos now.....amazing. That solves every issue it presents for every ND person 🙄

Op, some really weird replies. Who cares what your house is like. You don't want her there and she should accept your feelings. End off. Anything else is rude and unkind on her part

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:54

Rarararaaararah · 17/07/2024 13:42

That was interesting to read. I've never once felt the compulsion to see a friends home

me either.....that post is plain weird IMO

EasternEcho · 17/07/2024 13:54

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:52

"just wants to help" well she can stfu then.

OP needs to tell her that then.

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:54

Marmiteontoastgirlie · 17/07/2024 13:50

she is being a bit weird being so insistent. At the same time I don’t really feel like I’m properly friends with someone until I’ve been to their house! I have a friend who has never had me over and our friendship has really remained surface level.

I have friends who feel like proper friends to me who I have never met IRL

CleanCityBird · 17/07/2024 13:54

I don’t see a boundary being crossed.
I see someone who is hyper sensitive about the condition of their home, maybe even a little ashamed of it? I see a lot of excuses for why your home is not the way you’d like it & you resent what you see as interference by your friend, but in reality she’s kindly offered help & it doesn’t sound like she was judging you, which is what I think you are afraid of.
Your other friends overtures to want to visit are probably coming from a place of cementing the friendship.That you have become closer & she’d like to see you in your own environment. She’s not crossing a boundary. It’s a normal question for a friend to ask another friend. You say that you don’t visit her at home & mention the one time you have, but immediately tdiscount it as a ‘real’ visit. Of course it was real, no matter what the reason is you were there. You have been to her home, regardless of the circumstances.
I think you’re searching for a reason to blame her - using crossing boundaries as an excuse as to why you’re so hostile to the idea. If you could let go of this underlying hostility (& identity the reason for it), your attitude to her request to see you in your home may be different.
Separately but linked - if you’re instinctively apprehensive about letting people see your home, maybe the ‘clutter’ is worse that your willing to admit and deep down you know that. Opening up to your friends, and they sound like great friends, would be so burden lifting & freeing for you. And accept any help willingly. Good luck.

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:56

EasternEcho · 17/07/2024 13:22

Since the OP and this friend have been good friends for 6 years, I get the feeling the over the years OP may have said enough things for the friend to feel a little concerned about OPs living conditions and just wants to help.

That, along with some of the other things that OP has said about another friend who came to declutter and was picking up stuff right away from entering the front door, and filling a bin bag with most of the stuff in the fridge being out of date, although the carrots were only 2 days out of date etc. Picking up on these signs, it does seem like you, OP, have a clutter and perhaps a hoarding problem that you don't want people to know about. Granted it's your home and you can keep out anyone you wish, but I think this friend's persistence is coming from a place of concern. You are also being very defensive for having started an AIBU and posters tell you what they think.

my eyeballs are rolling so hard that my head is rocking.