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Friend won’t take the hint about my house

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 09:56

I have a good friend who I met about six years ago, but only really became very friendly with during lockdown, as I was furloughed and she was caring for her sick father, meaning that as two single people, we had a lot of time for messaging and video calls.

As we live on opposite sides of London, we’ve always met centrally or in specific locations rather than visiting one another’s homes. She’s never been to my place; I’ve been to hers once when she had a tribute evening for her father after he died. That was something everyone she knew was invited to; she’s never invited me there one on one. This hasn’t ever been an issue for me, as there’s no point in either of us trekking across the city unless there’s a real reason to go to the other’s house (e.g. a party).

However, lately she has developed a real bugbear about not having been to my house. At every opportunity, it’s “I can’t believe I still haven’t been to your place! We need to sort out a time”. We’ll be making plans for something else and she’ll throw in, “Yeah, let’s do that - and we need to sort out when I’m coming round to yours too! I really want to see your place!” We were looking at an event near to me and it was, “Ooh, great - and I can see your house too! As I STILL haven’t seen it…” (complete with mock hurt face).

Now, I struggle with housework at the best of times. I don’t like mess, but I just get overwhelmed. However, at the moment it’s worse for a variety of reasons. A relative is storing some stuff here while they’re abroad, so I have less space. Everything seems to be breaking at once too. I’ve just bought a new washing machine, so I’m behind with laundry; the fridge freezer is about to die; plus the hob is now taking turns between either refusing to light at all or taking my bloody eyebrows off. The whole house needs time and money spending on it before I’m ready for guests.

I have TOLD my friend this. I tell her every time she brings it up. I’ve been completely honest about why I’m not ready for guests at the moment and have said I’m going to have a party at some point (realistically Christmas) once everything is a bit straighter. She isn’t listening. It’s always “Awwh, I don’t mind; you should see the mess my place is in sometimes!” - or worse “But I could help you! I love tidying up; it’s my thing, I’ll help!” The latter is my worst nightmare - I let another friend “help” once after she made a big thing about being a big declutterer and I wanted to cry within about five minutes.

AIBU to think she needs to respect my feelings for the moment? It’s not about her not being welcome; I don’t want anyone here at the moment. And it’s not like I’m around there every week and never return the hospitality - like I say, I’ve only been there once. I feel like I need to say that this topic is off limits until I say otherwise, even at the risk of offending her, because it’s becoming stressful having to fend this off every time we meet.

OP posts:
Rarararaaararah · 17/07/2024 13:56

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:54

me either.....that post is plain weird IMO

Yes it read quite intense. I just 'judge' the person in front of me and the relationship I have with them. I have never needed to see the house, car, decor to build up a picture

Pelani · 17/07/2024 13:57

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:54

me either.....that post is plain weird IMO

I’m guessing you’re both the MN types whose DH and DC are their world and who don’t really bother that much with friends.

EasternEcho · 17/07/2024 13:57

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:56

my eyeballs are rolling so hard that my head is rocking.

What an extreme physical reaction to views you disagree with. Sympathies.

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:58

CleanCityBird · 17/07/2024 13:54

I don’t see a boundary being crossed.
I see someone who is hyper sensitive about the condition of their home, maybe even a little ashamed of it? I see a lot of excuses for why your home is not the way you’d like it & you resent what you see as interference by your friend, but in reality she’s kindly offered help & it doesn’t sound like she was judging you, which is what I think you are afraid of.
Your other friends overtures to want to visit are probably coming from a place of cementing the friendship.That you have become closer & she’d like to see you in your own environment. She’s not crossing a boundary. It’s a normal question for a friend to ask another friend. You say that you don’t visit her at home & mention the one time you have, but immediately tdiscount it as a ‘real’ visit. Of course it was real, no matter what the reason is you were there. You have been to her home, regardless of the circumstances.
I think you’re searching for a reason to blame her - using crossing boundaries as an excuse as to why you’re so hostile to the idea. If you could let go of this underlying hostility (& identity the reason for it), your attitude to her request to see you in your home may be different.
Separately but linked - if you’re instinctively apprehensive about letting people see your home, maybe the ‘clutter’ is worse that your willing to admit and deep down you know that. Opening up to your friends, and they sound like great friends, would be so burden lifting & freeing for you. And accept any help willingly. Good luck.

but surely it IS crossing boundaries if she bangs on about it? There has been discussion here on another thread I think about loneliness and advice to not take no for an answer if you are concerned about somebody....FFS no means no!

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:59

EasternEcho · 17/07/2024 13:57

What an extreme physical reaction to views you disagree with. Sympathies.

nope.....not playing.

Rarararaaararah · 17/07/2024 13:59

Pelani · 17/07/2024 13:57

I’m guessing you’re both the MN types whose DH and DC are their world and who don’t really bother that much with friends.

No....I just accept people as they are and listen when they talk....and make them feel heard by said listening....and then not be a massive twat to people I say I care about and want to help by not trampling their boundaries 🤷‍♀️

stardust777 · 17/07/2024 13:59

AtrociousCircumstance · 17/07/2024 10:25

“Friend, I’m not rejecting you and I really value our friendship and spending time with you - I just don’t want anyone around to mine for a while and I’d like you to please stop asking. Let’s continue to meet up and I’ll let you know if things change. Until then, let’s leave it, ok? Thanks.”

This. I think some people need to be told straight.

Perhaps she feels as though the friendship is one-sided. If she invites you to hers, I'd say: "Thanks, but I wouldn't want you to always host. How about x place (somewhere in the middle/ easy for you both to get to)?"

EasternEcho · 17/07/2024 14:01

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 13:59

nope.....not playing.

I should hope not. Not with a rocking head.

TammyJones · 17/07/2024 14:06

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 13:39

Why people can't just tidy up a bit always amazes me.

Well maybe it amazes you, but it isn’t necessarily that easy for everyone. I need to feel comfortable.

What makes you feel uncomfortable?

KirstenBlest · 17/07/2024 14:09

@CleanCityBird , it might not be shame. I don't like having people round unless I've invited them.
Guests don't always behave. I've had guests being rude about my belongings, breaking things (not deliberately but through carelessness), rummaging, moving things etc and worse.
It's made me not want to have people round.

If I felt comfortable, then I'd say 'Sorry, I'm messy' and not worry about it.

WaitingForMojo · 17/07/2024 14:10

I had a friend who wouldn’t even tell anyone where she lived! It got weird, and I dropped her!! It just felt very odd and uncomfortable.

TammyJones · 17/07/2024 14:10

@EasternEcho
I agree with your post

I've helped with decluttering and outdate food would be gone.
(Not the carrots maybe)
And also asking the questions 'what is this - do you need it - where does it go.
I would never force it on someone if they are not happy with that.
So op is perfectly fine to refuse a visit from her friend.

juice92 · 17/07/2024 14:11

I have a good friend and we both live opposite sides of Manchester (I know much smaller city) we always mean in the city. In almost 6 years of friendship I've been to their house once and they've been to mine once. I don't think not going to someone's house is especially unusual if the meetings just don't align that way. I have another friendship of a few years, they work down the road from me, but live about 30 miles away. They've been to my house easily a dozen times, I've been to theirs twice. Nothing odd about someone never visiting your house.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 17/07/2024 14:12

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 13:33

But have I ever said I haven’t had anyone in the house in the last six years?

Pre-lockdown, I really didn’t know her well enough to invite her over. During lockdown I couldn’t. That’s three of your six years covered! And I have explained again and again that we live an hour apart.

I keep seeing your name on this thread and I feel like you’re just prodding and prodding and are determined to wound.

I'm really not and I'm sorry you feel that. I've lived with a hoarder and grew up in a messy environment, it's so damaging. I think anyone in this situation should do everything they can to address the issue.

KirstenBlest · 17/07/2024 14:15

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor , stop prodding at OP.

godmum56 · 17/07/2024 14:15

Pelani · 17/07/2024 13:57

I’m guessing you’re both the MN types whose DH and DC are their world and who don’t really bother that much with friends.

nope, no kids and my husband is dead.

dawngreen · 17/07/2024 14:16

Carrots are easy to see when they need throwing away. Some foods can be kept past the use by date. Some ppl just see the use by date, and throw away food. Could decluttering be a side hustle of hers? But I do think she is trying to keep busy after her husband died. And it make her feel like she has a purpose and is helpful.

WonderingWanda · 17/07/2024 14:16

She sounds annoying. Whilst I don't care who comes to my house and prefer to invite people to me so I don't have to travel she is being quite odd to be inviting she come to yours. I have friends who's houses I haven't been in, it's not a thing I feel I need to do. I will go if invited but its not a deal breaker.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 14:18

TammyJones · 17/07/2024 14:06

What makes you feel uncomfortable?

Not being tidy!

OP posts:
MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 17/07/2024 14:19

KirstenBlest · 17/07/2024 14:15

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor , stop prodding at OP.

Who made you thread police 🙄

TammyJones · 17/07/2024 14:20

@SlovenlyOldSlut

TammyJones
What makes you feel uncomfortable?

Not being tidy!

That's it then

Problem solved.
Why the thread?

Ecstaticmotion · 17/07/2024 14:24

Do you think she might fancy you and be angling to shift from friendship into something more?

betterangels · 17/07/2024 14:25

Ecstaticmotion · 17/07/2024 14:24

Do you think she might fancy you and be angling to shift from friendship into something more?

What a leap.

Ecstaticmotion · 17/07/2024 14:27

betterangels · 17/07/2024 14:25

What a leap.

It is, definitely, but also not impossible ? I was trying to think why else she’d be bringing it up so much.

BrainWontWorkAnymore · 17/07/2024 14:27

I don’t understand all this victim blaming, the OP is feeling bullied here.

@SlovenlyOldSlut I think I’d say something or text something along the lines of

“Z, you don’t seem to be listening to me. I have explain the state of my house and how it’s making me feel a number of times. I know you are hearing me but you’re obviously not listening. Your insistence is upsetting me and makes me feel that your wishes are more important than mine. I’ll say it again-I don’t want you to come round until I am comfortable, not when I am stressed. So, if you are never going to leave this be, and listen to me, then fine, come round on Sunday at 2pm. You will need to leave at 3. Please understand that I will no longer consider you as a friend as you will have made it clear that what I say and ask will be ignored from now on. Please let me know your decision tonight.”

It’s not concise, I don’t think it’s rude and it clearly sets out your boundaries IMO