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Friend won’t take the hint about my house

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 09:56

I have a good friend who I met about six years ago, but only really became very friendly with during lockdown, as I was furloughed and she was caring for her sick father, meaning that as two single people, we had a lot of time for messaging and video calls.

As we live on opposite sides of London, we’ve always met centrally or in specific locations rather than visiting one another’s homes. She’s never been to my place; I’ve been to hers once when she had a tribute evening for her father after he died. That was something everyone she knew was invited to; she’s never invited me there one on one. This hasn’t ever been an issue for me, as there’s no point in either of us trekking across the city unless there’s a real reason to go to the other’s house (e.g. a party).

However, lately she has developed a real bugbear about not having been to my house. At every opportunity, it’s “I can’t believe I still haven’t been to your place! We need to sort out a time”. We’ll be making plans for something else and she’ll throw in, “Yeah, let’s do that - and we need to sort out when I’m coming round to yours too! I really want to see your place!” We were looking at an event near to me and it was, “Ooh, great - and I can see your house too! As I STILL haven’t seen it…” (complete with mock hurt face).

Now, I struggle with housework at the best of times. I don’t like mess, but I just get overwhelmed. However, at the moment it’s worse for a variety of reasons. A relative is storing some stuff here while they’re abroad, so I have less space. Everything seems to be breaking at once too. I’ve just bought a new washing machine, so I’m behind with laundry; the fridge freezer is about to die; plus the hob is now taking turns between either refusing to light at all or taking my bloody eyebrows off. The whole house needs time and money spending on it before I’m ready for guests.

I have TOLD my friend this. I tell her every time she brings it up. I’ve been completely honest about why I’m not ready for guests at the moment and have said I’m going to have a party at some point (realistically Christmas) once everything is a bit straighter. She isn’t listening. It’s always “Awwh, I don’t mind; you should see the mess my place is in sometimes!” - or worse “But I could help you! I love tidying up; it’s my thing, I’ll help!” The latter is my worst nightmare - I let another friend “help” once after she made a big thing about being a big declutterer and I wanted to cry within about five minutes.

AIBU to think she needs to respect my feelings for the moment? It’s not about her not being welcome; I don’t want anyone here at the moment. And it’s not like I’m around there every week and never return the hospitality - like I say, I’ve only been there once. I feel like I need to say that this topic is off limits until I say otherwise, even at the risk of offending her, because it’s becoming stressful having to fend this off every time we meet.

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SnappyBiscuit · 25/07/2024 08:48

why are people so hung up on how untidy the house is, op has mentioned a little clutter, that doesn’t mean she’s a hoarder 🙄
it could be a freaking palace, she has a right not to have people over if she doesn’t want to.
and it does not suggest she is any less of a friend!
The friend however is not respecting her wishes… that is the “friend” I would question.

Calphurnia6 · 25/07/2024 08:50

@SlovenlyOldSlut there are some responses from people are are un/intentionally missing the point or using hyperbole to wind you up. It's clearly working, so stop engaging. You can't control what people post, but you can control how you choose to respond to it. Which includes no response.

There's a fairly broad mix of responses from people who do and don't think that being invited into somebody's home is an indicator of friendship. For me, it isn't. Some of my longest and closest friendships are with people who I meet outside the home. I've never once considered that our friendships are any less significant because of that.

But clearly for some people it is important, and that may well be the case for your friend. Your friend needs to respect that you would prefer not to socialise at home right now, which she isn't doing by continuing to apply pressure, but you may need to accept that from her perspective this means that the friendship isn't as important to you as she thought it was, and that may change the dynamic going forward.

JoBoJoBo · 25/07/2024 16:15

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 25/07/2024 17:11

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JoBoJoBo · 25/07/2024 17:18

SlovenlyOldSlut · 25/07/2024 17:11

Screenshotted and reported.

I have already reported you very childish op.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 25/07/2024 17:28

JoBoJoBo · 25/07/2024 17:18

I have already reported you very childish op.

On what basis?

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JMSA · 25/07/2024 17:30

OP, I think you need to walk away from this thread now. Respectfully, it is doing you no good.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 25/07/2024 17:31

JMSA · 25/07/2024 17:30

OP, I think you need to walk away from this thread now. Respectfully, it is doing you no good.

Thanks, but it’s people making accusations about my mental health and attempting to bully me who need to walk away.

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lovenotwar149 · 25/07/2024 17:41

I feel like I need to say that this topic is off limits until I say otherwise, even at the risk of offending her, because it’s becoming stressful having to fend this off every time we meet.

I agree with you on this part ...I would assert myself on this. She's not listening to you. I am. I can hear your hurt on this. And thats fine. DO YOU! Unapologetically. Its ok to not WANT her to come over ...u dont 'need' to defend why or explain. DO YOU and let her do her. If you politely say 'I may/will call u over at some point in the future, I'll let you know when, ' that imo is when the other (your friend in this example) either shuts up or perhaps speaks truthfully and expresses her hurt/reasons why this may be a problem for her. then you both can have a chat about it if you want to. But if its still no , not yet I am not ready ..stick to it. If she can't accept this...that behaviour will show up again!!

Harry12345 · 25/07/2024 23:45

JoBoJoBo · 24/07/2024 17:37

It's your stuff to sort out take responsibility.If you ever end up in hospital the sw will order a deep clean and declutter for sure.

No they won’t, they can’t do that without consent, she didn’t ask for advice to sort her house out she’s asking about her friend respecting boundaries

Valeriekat · 26/07/2024 02:18

ichifanny · 17/07/2024 10:24

Honestly just try sort your house out , I have been there with house mess and it’s so much more freeing to be able to invite people in and not worry about anyone seeing the state you live in . You are anxious about your house and projecting onto and blaming your friend . It’s much easier to solve the main problem than fall out with people.

Yes, unless you have other mental problems but this can become quite a severe problem for you.

usersuserse · 26/07/2024 10:35

JoBoJoBo · 24/07/2024 17:37

It's your stuff to sort out take responsibility.If you ever end up in hospital the sw will order a deep clean and declutter for sure.

This is utter madness. It's hard enough to get social services to provide actual critical care for vulnerable adults. The idea that they have money to spuff on a deep clean and declutter is insanity.

Tell me you know nothing about social services without telling me you know nothing about social services.

JoBoJoBo · 26/07/2024 13:40

usersuserse · 26/07/2024 10:35

This is utter madness. It's hard enough to get social services to provide actual critical care for vulnerable adults. The idea that they have money to spuff on a deep clean and declutter is insanity.

Tell me you know nothing about social services without telling me you know nothing about social services.

I work for social services actually so very informed thank you.

JoBoJoBo · 26/07/2024 13:45

Harry12345 · 25/07/2024 23:45

No they won’t, they can’t do that without consent, she didn’t ask for advice to sort her house out she’s asking about her friend respecting boundaries

They can order this if it is dangerous or a person is not able to navigate the house using a Zimmer frame due to hoarding. They can legally get onto for environmental reasons i.e rats , flies ,refuse in garden etc impacting others

Xmasbaby11 · 26/07/2024 13:53

YANBU as it's always your choice and your friend shouldn't go on about it, especially since you are a distance from each other and it makes more sense to meet in the middle. She is bound to think it odd, I think, because a lot of people have things to sort in their homes and consider them a mess. It's my personal opinion that friends don't judge each other and don't care about the state of your home, so I wouldn't let that stop me having a friend over. You obviously feel differently and want to feel proud of your house, so your friend needs to respect that.

Harry12345 · 28/07/2024 16:56

JoBoJoBo · 26/07/2024 13:45

They can order this if it is dangerous or a person is not able to navigate the house using a Zimmer frame due to hoarding. They can legally get onto for environmental reasons i.e rats , flies ,refuse in garden etc impacting others

Not in Scotland they cant

jrc1071 · 29/07/2024 15:37

I think there is more to the story here. I think the friend was trying to help out. Perhaps the OP had a tough spot or is going through a hard time and cannot have the energy to stay on top of things. We do not know what the two shared in convo over the years. And maybe the OP is not ready to face this now, and her friend is more of the cheery 'we will get you through this' kind of mate that pitches in without being asked.

Overwhelmedowl · 07/12/2024 09:49

Randomly came across this - how did things go in the end OP?

godmum56 · 07/12/2024 10:28

JoBoJoBo · 26/07/2024 13:45

They can order this if it is dangerous or a person is not able to navigate the house using a Zimmer frame due to hoarding. They can legally get onto for environmental reasons i.e rats , flies ,refuse in garden etc impacting others

While environmental health can order action over things which affect public health or safety, provided the person has capacity and owns the house, so no landlord, NO ONE can order any kind of action in a private house or garden. Some councils operate an extreme clean team but it doesn't have to be free and they can't insist on it.

JoBoJoBo · 19/12/2024 22:41

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cansu · 19/12/2024 22:52

I think you need to be brutally honest. Saying it's a bit messy won't cut it and maybe isn't true.

Just say my house is more than messy. I don't have anyone round.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 19/12/2024 23:08

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Seriously, why are you digging this up months on? It was a ridiculous comment anyway. Environmental Health don’t intervene because you’re a bit lax about the hoovering!

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