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Friend won’t take the hint about my house

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 09:56

I have a good friend who I met about six years ago, but only really became very friendly with during lockdown, as I was furloughed and she was caring for her sick father, meaning that as two single people, we had a lot of time for messaging and video calls.

As we live on opposite sides of London, we’ve always met centrally or in specific locations rather than visiting one another’s homes. She’s never been to my place; I’ve been to hers once when she had a tribute evening for her father after he died. That was something everyone she knew was invited to; she’s never invited me there one on one. This hasn’t ever been an issue for me, as there’s no point in either of us trekking across the city unless there’s a real reason to go to the other’s house (e.g. a party).

However, lately she has developed a real bugbear about not having been to my house. At every opportunity, it’s “I can’t believe I still haven’t been to your place! We need to sort out a time”. We’ll be making plans for something else and she’ll throw in, “Yeah, let’s do that - and we need to sort out when I’m coming round to yours too! I really want to see your place!” We were looking at an event near to me and it was, “Ooh, great - and I can see your house too! As I STILL haven’t seen it…” (complete with mock hurt face).

Now, I struggle with housework at the best of times. I don’t like mess, but I just get overwhelmed. However, at the moment it’s worse for a variety of reasons. A relative is storing some stuff here while they’re abroad, so I have less space. Everything seems to be breaking at once too. I’ve just bought a new washing machine, so I’m behind with laundry; the fridge freezer is about to die; plus the hob is now taking turns between either refusing to light at all or taking my bloody eyebrows off. The whole house needs time and money spending on it before I’m ready for guests.

I have TOLD my friend this. I tell her every time she brings it up. I’ve been completely honest about why I’m not ready for guests at the moment and have said I’m going to have a party at some point (realistically Christmas) once everything is a bit straighter. She isn’t listening. It’s always “Awwh, I don’t mind; you should see the mess my place is in sometimes!” - or worse “But I could help you! I love tidying up; it’s my thing, I’ll help!” The latter is my worst nightmare - I let another friend “help” once after she made a big thing about being a big declutterer and I wanted to cry within about five minutes.

AIBU to think she needs to respect my feelings for the moment? It’s not about her not being welcome; I don’t want anyone here at the moment. And it’s not like I’m around there every week and never return the hospitality - like I say, I’ve only been there once. I feel like I need to say that this topic is off limits until I say otherwise, even at the risk of offending her, because it’s becoming stressful having to fend this off every time we meet.

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YouJustDoYou · 17/07/2024 12:07

"Awwh, I don’t mind; you should see the mess my place is in sometimes!” - or worse “But I could help you! I love tidying up; it’s my thing, I’ll help!”

GOD, I have a friend like that, she was a nightmare, I wouldn't have minded company at times but she was very full on with constant talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, about nothing.

I am very, very introverted and I love being in my home on my own with the kids/dh,I hate visitors as it makes me very stressed. I would say things like, "please don't go in my bedroom (the door would be shut, on purpose, my bedroom is MY space and also my area of shame where everything just gets chucked)", she would pick up piles of laundry and breeze "Oh I don't mind!" and just bloody help herself. I would say she can't come over as I had things to get on with with the kids (I just want to relax at the end of the day and not talk and just take of my bra etc) and she would come knock on the door anyway, "Oh I don't mind!". Hated it. Had to stop being so gentle about it and told her firmly I wasn't having visitors, and would just bar the door.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 17/07/2024 12:09

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 12:02

You’re missing the point. The issue is that she won’t get that I’m not ready!

I'm not missing the point, six years is a long time to not be ready . It does sound like you have a problem which needs addressing.

burnoutbabe · 17/07/2024 12:12

i live in London, i don't think any one of my friends has ever been to my flat (bar some who stayed here when house hunting). I have been to theirs maybe once or twice in 20 years. We always meet out! central or occasionally i go to theirs to meet for lunch in local cafe (as i work part time).

i am not sure its that unusual to not see friends at home (especially as none of us have kids) when you all live a large distance from each other - we may both live south london say but its quicker to both get to say Waterloo than it is to go across to the others location.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 12:14

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 17/07/2024 12:09

I'm not missing the point, six years is a long time to not be ready . It does sound like you have a problem which needs addressing.

At no point have I said I’ve never had anyone in my house in the last six years.

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Wokkadema · 17/07/2024 12:14

YouJustDoYou · 17/07/2024 12:07

"Awwh, I don’t mind; you should see the mess my place is in sometimes!” - or worse “But I could help you! I love tidying up; it’s my thing, I’ll help!”

GOD, I have a friend like that, she was a nightmare, I wouldn't have minded company at times but she was very full on with constant talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, about nothing.

I am very, very introverted and I love being in my home on my own with the kids/dh,I hate visitors as it makes me very stressed. I would say things like, "please don't go in my bedroom (the door would be shut, on purpose, my bedroom is MY space and also my area of shame where everything just gets chucked)", she would pick up piles of laundry and breeze "Oh I don't mind!" and just bloody help herself. I would say she can't come over as I had things to get on with with the kids (I just want to relax at the end of the day and not talk and just take of my bra etc) and she would come knock on the door anyway, "Oh I don't mind!". Hated it. Had to stop being so gentle about it and told her firmly I wasn't having visitors, and would just bar the door.

I think it best to be very direct.
'I don'tmind!!!'
'you might not mind but I do; I am not unfortunately visitors right now, I will invite you when I am.'
'Oh I can help you!!'
'The help I would really appreciate is you giving me some time to get things sorted, and waiting patiently til I can invite you'

Theothername · 17/07/2024 12:20

In the circumstances I wouldn’t let her help you tidy because she is being completely disrespectful of your boundaries. That makes her the absolute last person that you can trust to help.

I’m a big believer in letting people in and sharing the messier side of life- ime it can really help people to see that your life isn’t always guest ready which is how it can look if that’s all they ever see. But I had to get to a point where my home felt like a reflection of my life, rather than the embodiment of my failure as a person. And there are still people that will never cross my threshold until my baseboards are gleaming.

She should wait to be invited. There is an enormous difference between an invitation and an invasion. Just tell her that she is not invited yet. If she has an issue with that, it’s her problem, not yours. You’ll be too busy having a problem with her poor manners.

DeeCeeCherry · 17/07/2024 12:21

Even if OP does have a hoarding problem - which I don't think she has, maybe just a bit too much stuff - she's actually under no obligation to invite anyone to her home. It's as simple as that, never mind all the philosophising. Decluttering can be overwhelming and take years there isn't a timeline. It needs understanding, non-judgment and definitely not pushiness and badgering, which OP's friend and some pp's seem unable to grasp at all.

Pelani · 17/07/2024 12:30

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 12:14

At no point have I said I’ve never had anyone in my house in the last six years.

If you’ve had other people over then it’s surely not totally unreasonable that a close friend wonders why you’ve never invited her?

LookItsMeAgain · 17/07/2024 12:30

What I would do in your situation is tell her really clearly "Ok Margaret, I've said that I'm not ready to have you over to my home on so many occasions now. What part of that is causing you confusion? I'm not ready. I've been honest with you about the state of my home and at the moment, as a relative is storing their belongings in my home, it's even worse than it was a few months ago. The only reason I have ever been in your home was due sadly to the wake for your late father, otherwise I too wouldn't have been past the threshold of your home. I don't want to fall out over this so please accept that when I'm ready, you will be invited. Until then I'd really prefer to talk about other things, is that alright with you?"

Friendofdennis · 17/07/2024 12:32

bfrgggdsryvfg · 17/07/2024 10:31

Your friend sounds quite rude. If visiting each others houses isn’t the thing you both would normally do, I would question why she is being so pushy to visit your house. I had a person in my life who was pushy in the same way as your friend, I didn’t think much of it and let her come around. Then I discovered I was being gossiped about in an exaggerated way - one crisp wrapper became ‘rubbish everywhere’, the bath having soap suds in it from my bath that day became ‘the bathroom looked like it hadn’t been cleaned for a week’ and some dust on a skirting board was photographed! It’s made me far more cautious about who I let through my door.

Wow that shocking. You must have felt really betrayed by this person. I agree that it’s best to be cautious about letting people see your home if you are not comfortable about it OP

stayathomer · 17/07/2024 12:34

I would kill for friends to offer to help like that, she sounds lovely!! But yes, I’d say annoying if you don’t want it!!!

Apolloneuro · 17/07/2024 12:35

I wonder what’s behind her insistence? Does she feel insecure about her importance in her life? I wonder if you try to work out what’s driving it, she might ease off?

You could set a date like bonfire night or something. That gives you a wee bit of a deadline and might also satisfy her?

DiamondGoldandSilver · 17/07/2024 12:36

If after 6 years a friend of mine hadn’t invited me over I would question the friendship. It’s part of showing someone who you are and I suppose showing a willingness to be vulnerable. I think I would step back from a friendship where I wasn’t ever invited over. I realise not everyone is this way, but maybe the OP’s friend is similar? Perhaps she is trying to get to the bottom of the quality of their friendship.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 12:40

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 12:40

If after 6 years a friend of mine hadn’t invited me over I would question the friendship.

Even if you’d never invited them over either?

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Lurkingandlearning · 17/07/2024 12:41

She’s not going to stop is she? Once someone becomes that annoying/ obtuse I get a bit stretchy with the truth. I’d be saying “but we have arranged for you to come to my party at Christmas. It’ll be here before you know it. Or don’t you want to come to that?” That sort of opens the door, if she presses about coming sooner, for you to look all hurt and ask if she isn’t going to go to your party.

I don’t make a habit of this kind of game, only when people keep ignoring what I say.

If you’re still friends at Christmas (for me that would be unlikely) and you still don’t want her to visit just say you’re too busy with other invites to throw a party of your own

QueensOfTheVolksAge · 17/07/2024 12:42

Our house is full of ND people and we do often struggle letting people in. It feels so personal.. But recently we visited friends and their house was clean but messy, and it really helped me to realise that I actually loved it that they clearly value me enough to invite me to see how they live. Just wanted to see us and have fun. No judgement from me, actually it helped me relax and realise no household is perfect (and tbh of they are, it's a bit weird and unsettling imo).

BUT having said that, your house, your choice. If she won't fuck off going on about it , I'd be looking very carefully at whether she respects your boundaries generally. Because there's nothing worse than someone who doesn't actually listen to and respect boundaries. I've become maybe too protective of mine as a result of such things.

DiamondGoldandSilver · 17/07/2024 12:46

@SlovenlyOldSlut I suppose in this case the OP has visited the friend’s house, even though it was with others for a memorial gathering. Yes, I would find it odd if I’d been friends with someone in the same city for six years but hadn’t seen their house. But I definitely would not push the issue either.

BobbyBiscuits · 17/07/2024 12:49

She certainly should take the hint. You've been upfront about it.
'My house is in a bit of a mess/cluttered, so nothing personal but I'm not having visitors. If and when that changes, I promise you'll be the first to know. But please don't bring it up again. I love seeing you so let's just meet at X and then go to y'. She has to take it in eventually.
If she then brings it up again and do a sort of jokey serious face and say something like 'remember what I said, it's not happening.' then move the convo on.
It would certainly be a shame to have to cool off the friendship but I guess if she will not drop it you'll have no choice.

Maria1979 · 17/07/2024 12:51

I would ask her if it's me or my house she wants to see? Did she not understand that your house was a mess right now? Say that her insisting triggers your anxiety so please stop. If she doesn't stop it's bye-bye "friend".

tennesseewhiskey1 · 17/07/2024 12:53

Christ ok - So you've know her 6 years but she's never been invited to your house - you've been to hers? She probably thinks thats a bit weird. I think the carrot thing is a bit silly to call you a hoarder because of it, 2 days out of date is not crazy bad - its the other stuff i would question - you feeling like your head was spinning when she picked things up and asked where they should be - was they much that was out of place or something? Things that are 'breaking at once' - they have not been breaking for the last 6 years i suppose - so perhaps friend might think your not inviting her for a reason. Look OP - whatever it is, it sounds like you just dont want her over, fine its your house - if i were you, just tell her to stop asking as its now making you fee very uncomfortable. However she reacts is down to her - but at least you have been clearer to her with a 'stop asking'.

bonzaitree · 17/07/2024 12:58

I understand your reluctance OP- I’ve had similar when just moved into a do-er upper and said to people « errr well you CAN come over but there is nothing for you to sit on at all and no sinks in either the kitchen or loo! » 😂😂😂

Pelani · 17/07/2024 12:59

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Look, if you’re going to get this defensive then it’s probably better not to start a thread asking for people’s opinions. I didn’t miss lockdown, I live with someone who became extremely paranoid and anxious and has only really started relaxing their self-imposed restrictions in the last few months, so it’s been over four years of non-normality for me. But that’s not true of most people I know, and by your own account it isn’t the reason why you haven’t invited her. No I don’t expect you do send daily bulletins, but since you’re friends you might have mentioned at times that you’ve had other people over. For example the relative will have had to come over in order to store their stuff, and you’ve apparently mentioned that. She may just wonder if other people are allowed to visit then why can’t she. But who you have over is of course up to you.

RosesAndHellebores · 17/07/2024 13:01

She's being rude to insist and not respect your boundaries
You are being a little odd to refuse.

As neither of you is able to respect the other I wonder if this friendship is reaching its natural end.

My MIL is similar to you @SlovenlyOldSlut - a little too ashamed of her home to invite anyone into it. I think it's an issue with sharing ultimately. It's rather sad to have reached the age of 88 and never to have invited a visitor in for a coffee or cup of tea. I find it unfriendly and unwelcoming and it's why she has no longer term friends and is never invited anywhere. She has curated her own loneliness.

LapinR0se · 17/07/2024 13:04

Do you have ADHD @SlovenlyOldSlut ?

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