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I can't really go back to work with H attitude

398 replies

icantfuckingwin · 05/07/2024 22:45

Two kids- 4 and 2.

H trying to build an empire and make it big. Self employed business. Requires A LOT of hours out of the house. I do not wish to disclose the type of business it is. But it's not work from home.

He leaves at 6 and comes back at 8:30-9 pm. The commute is around 1:15-1:30 minutes.

He's been putting a lot into it for many years and is on the brink of a possible investment, let's say. To enlarge business.

I've also had quite a successful career. I went back to work after both babies. I also manage everything home related, as I've always worked from home, there was just more time for me to do it.

For the last year I held a senior position, on a pretty big salary. Not humble bragging. But I suffered from absolute burn out. I could no longer maintain everything. I was doing all night wakings, all mornings, all drop offs and all pick ups, plus dinner time and bed time alone. My kids school is also an hour round trip because of traffic. I did have the help of a cleaner and spent money on convenience foods and take aways too often, but was really trying to just get through the days somehow. We had a nanny for a while before my youngest went to nursery and she'd fill in if I had work trips abroad etc. anyway my H all the while always complaining how much money we spent on outsourcing and making me feel guilty about it.

So we recently started discussing my return to work and what was going to change. To which he said, well we can't spend that much money on outsourcing stuff- otherwise it won't be worth you working. We will be paying more to outsource than you'll be earning. This is because I suggested we have a housekeeper a few times a week, rather than a cleaner once a week, to make things easier on me. He said I never think about the finances and only about getting more and more help in.

This was part of the reason I left my job too, as I was made to feel guilty for needing help.

He essentially wants a wife who works full time on a big salary and takes care of all the home and childcare stuff with no help ( aside from nursery ) while he goes off to build his empire.

And I know what he'll say, he'll say I never supported him and he did it all alone. He already thinks that. Because I couldn't handle ' my lot '. When I was working and caused him a headache by complaining about it all.

I am sad but I don't think I can go back to work under these circumstances. He still does not get it and he'll begrudge the money we will need to speak to pick up his side of the equation.

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HcbSS · 05/07/2024 22:47

What an arsehole. You career is equally as important as his. Carry on outsourcing and let him pay for it! You don’t want to be beholden to him for money in the long term with that awful attitude.

Apileofballyhoo · 05/07/2024 22:47

What do you want?

Duckswaddle · 05/07/2024 22:49

Oh I feel so sorry for you that he takes so much away from you and makes you feel bad.

Of course you keep your career, and of course you get the help you need to make it all work.

You are important too.

Variolia · 05/07/2024 22:49

Go back to work and outsource what you can. It’s so worth it.

otherwise, tell him he has to be around and do all the housework, cooking and childcare…

BriocheForBreakfast · 05/07/2024 22:51

You are supporting him by doing all the home jobs which frees him up to build his empire. He on the other hand is not supporting you.

TheHorneSection · 05/07/2024 22:52

You know he’s a bit of an arse, yes?

What husband completely devalues his wife’s aims and achievements.

TheHorneSection · 05/07/2024 22:52

Ask him outright - why do MY career and ambitions count for less than yours?

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 05/07/2024 22:53

icantfuckingwin · 05/07/2024 22:45

Two kids- 4 and 2.

H trying to build an empire and make it big. Self employed business. Requires A LOT of hours out of the house. I do not wish to disclose the type of business it is. But it's not work from home.

He leaves at 6 and comes back at 8:30-9 pm. The commute is around 1:15-1:30 minutes.

He's been putting a lot into it for many years and is on the brink of a possible investment, let's say. To enlarge business.

I've also had quite a successful career. I went back to work after both babies. I also manage everything home related, as I've always worked from home, there was just more time for me to do it.

For the last year I held a senior position, on a pretty big salary. Not humble bragging. But I suffered from absolute burn out. I could no longer maintain everything. I was doing all night wakings, all mornings, all drop offs and all pick ups, plus dinner time and bed time alone. My kids school is also an hour round trip because of traffic. I did have the help of a cleaner and spent money on convenience foods and take aways too often, but was really trying to just get through the days somehow. We had a nanny for a while before my youngest went to nursery and she'd fill in if I had work trips abroad etc. anyway my H all the while always complaining how much money we spent on outsourcing and making me feel guilty about it.

So we recently started discussing my return to work and what was going to change. To which he said, well we can't spend that much money on outsourcing stuff- otherwise it won't be worth you working. We will be paying more to outsource than you'll be earning. This is because I suggested we have a housekeeper a few times a week, rather than a cleaner once a week, to make things easier on me. He said I never think about the finances and only about getting more and more help in.

This was part of the reason I left my job too, as I was made to feel guilty for needing help.

He essentially wants a wife who works full time on a big salary and takes care of all the home and childcare stuff with no help ( aside from nursery ) while he goes off to build his empire.

And I know what he'll say, he'll say I never supported him and he did it all alone. He already thinks that. Because I couldn't handle ' my lot '. When I was working and caused him a headache by complaining about it all.

I am sad but I don't think I can go back to work under these circumstances. He still does not get it and he'll begrudge the money we will need to speak to pick up his side of the equation.

Omg - break up with the chump and tell him you would like to go 50/50 - he will soon have to “outsource” a lot for his days then won’t he?!

Singleandproud · 05/07/2024 22:54

Is there some middle ground of going back part time etc if you are happy with that. Or go back full time and you both split the outsourcing and any child care in a fair way depending on income.

Whilst you are off work is he making pension contributions etc on your behalf and ensuring you will be taken care of or does he just expect you to be at home and do all the 'wife work's with no security?

Be aware that if it really gets to you he will hide his earnings and you will get minimal child maintenance, he clearly already resents giving you money.

LittleRedYoshi · 05/07/2024 22:55

Aside from the obvious arseholery that other posters are talking about - surely his point doesn't even stack up? You say your earning power is high - the cost of the kind of support you're describing can't be so much that it cancels that out?

ThistleWitch · 05/07/2024 22:56

Fuck him

Make a list of the things that will need to be done while you're at work

Bemusedandconfusedagain · 05/07/2024 22:59

Whatever you do do not give up your career for a man that clearly does not value or appreciate you or your feelings. You will be trapped financially in this awful unequal relationship.

You need to lay down the law. You are going back to work. You will do A, B and C or outsource it as you see fit, and X, Y and Z are his responsibility, either to do himself or to outsource if he prefers. Do not back down and pick up his tasks.

icantfuckingwin · 05/07/2024 23:01

It's so difficult. He makes it out like I'm so unreasonable.

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rainbowsparkle28 · 05/07/2024 23:01

I would not be giving up my financial independence for a man like this.

Ryeman · 05/07/2024 23:01

Is he actually bringing in any money op?

icantfuckingwin · 05/07/2024 23:02

Ryeman · 05/07/2024 23:01

Is he actually bringing in any money op?

Yes a lot

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cestlavielife · 05/07/2024 23:04

Well you married what's his is yours
Go back to work
Outsource

Wakeywake · 05/07/2024 23:04

So if you're bringing in a good amount and so is he, what's the problem in spending some to buy help? This is what money is for, to make your life better. Is he very stingy?

MissingKitty · 05/07/2024 23:05

Go back to work and outsource everything you can. He sounds like an arsehole. But if you work from home and his empire is over an hour away… why not move closer to it?

ilovetomatoes · 05/07/2024 23:05

Totally agree with other posters who say don’t give up work. If he is unwilling to compromise on this and work it through, it will be even worse when you are not contributing financially and he can claim he is holding everything together so you have to do what he says. Carry on working, get as much help as you need and push him to do more. Good luck.

StormingNorman · 05/07/2024 23:08

It is reasonable to consider if it’s worth going back to work if it costs more than you earn. Does he realise the long term impact on you of not working? Pension, prospects, personal fulfilment etc. and he knows you want to work?

GiveOverAndOver · 05/07/2024 23:11

It doesn't sound like he wants you working full time and not outsourcing, he doesnt want you working. His point is right in that what's the point in say earning £2k a month and outsourcing £2k a month. But that only works when you're happy to be a SAHM. It wouldnt work for me. His career doesn't get to trump yours.

What is it that you would like to happen?

TomatoSandwiches · 05/07/2024 23:12

You deserve your own career op, if you give it up because your husband isn't doing his fair share of the household work and the childcare/mental load then you open yourself up to financial abuse.... he already down plays what you do which helps him concentrate on his business.
He has no respect for you, your career, your financial security and what you do at home and with the children.

Tell him that unless he is willing to pay you a decent wage and pension provisions to SAH then working is non negotiable.

Make a budget for a realistic amount of bought in help and tell him he needs to pay 50% as they should be shared responsibilities that he already doesn't do.

This man is fucking gross btw.

SayTheWeirdThing · 05/07/2024 23:16

It’s not just about the maths, it’s about the mind.

Not everyone wants to be a SAHP. Outsource, or leave.

icantfuckingwin · 05/07/2024 23:17

StormingNorman · 05/07/2024 23:08

It is reasonable to consider if it’s worth going back to work if it costs more than you earn. Does he realise the long term impact on you of not working? Pension, prospects, personal fulfilment etc. and he knows you want to work?

It's not going to cost more I earn.

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