Kier Starmer - what he'll be like as a PM

[Dibbydoos]

So this is the first time Ive seen anything written about Kier Starmer and I like the man described.

Am I being unreasonable?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/how-keir-starmer-s-past-shows-what-he-would-be-like-as-prime-minister/ar-BB1peeCe?ocid=nl_article_link&cvid=68253a8bd44444739b56e177e78f2264&ei=21

Well hopefully people will spell his name right fir a start.

Interesting article. That people who have worked with him describe him like that, is encouraging.

I love good spelling and grammar as much as the next person.. but this is what you took away from this thread, @BusyCM ?!

I dare you to actually write something relevant in response to the excellent OP from @Dibbydoos .

Ask MN to correct it to "Keir".
It's encouraging, but you don't get to be head of the CPS if you're lightweight and incompetent.
I think he's not driven by greed or egotism, so that will make a change..

Haha you're funny!

This is a really interesting article OP.

I wonder how much the Keir naysayers can read this objectively.

A lot of these naysayers seem to be looking for anything they can criticise , to then justify their instinct to vote for a very rotten, broken Tory party. (or whisper it, even Reform).

That’s fine, everyone can vote how they like. What I find fascinating though is the amount of attempts people make to personally criticise a man who is about as close to unimpeachable in politics as I’ve seen in my lifetime.

That doesn’t make him the Messiah, and he really struggles at times with charisma and messaging.

However at a time when one prime minister of recent times, with oodles of charisma and messaging, sold people the dream of money from the NHS on the side of a bus, then lied to just about everyone around him… or the absolutely bizarre egotist who switched to every political position possible as an MP, jumps to the Brexit mob, becomes PM, trashes the economy, but now does speaking tours for the far Right..

I think at this time, it would be welcome to have someone who has stood for integrity and values all his life.

the problem is, a lot of people on here and in society see Toryism as an identity, and every other political position as “supporting the feckless”.

So do you actually have anything useful to add? Or just silly comments at others?

@JacquesHarlow I agree although I’ve seen as much vitriol for KS from the left as I have the right. They should give their heads a shake. The country had an opportunity for a left wing Labour option in 2019 and it was clearly not something they wanted to vote for. Elections are won in the centre and Labour have an excellent, intelligent, pragmatic person at the helm who has the best chance of making a good go of it.

Sounds like a sensible adult.

Finally.

Not that sensible if he believes men can be women - so unfortunately either a liar, a coward or stupid. Which is a real shame.

Fully agree @Spacecrispsnack .

The Left has had it in for him for years trying to paint him as New Labour or whatever, and what's so frustrating is, he is actually no Blair.... I think Keir is actually far more socialist and principled that the Left would give him credit for.

What is great about him is his discipline and fairness. He recognised Labour has to be a broader church, more inclusive and professional. Five years ago it was pretty much a party of protest, led by one of the great protest MPs of recent times. I think he's done a remarkable job of transforming it into a very professional, focused unit of people who are ready to do good for Britain.

He has all the charisma of a cold cottage pie!
But maybe we’ve had enough of charisma?

This 💯

Did you actually listen to what Keir said @SheldontheWonderSchlong , or did you read it through the filter of JK Rowling's tweet?

In the recent BBC debate Starmer was asked if he'd provide legal protection for women-only spaces.

He said yes. He confirmed he would protect women's spaces.

He also said "a small number of people are born into a gender that they don't identify with'. He said: 'I will treat them, as I treat all human beings, with dignity and respect.'

I can't see any issue here.

Here is a PM in waiting who has openly acknowledged he will legally protect women's spaces. As a woman, I'm happy with that answer.

He has however not chosen to protect our spaces with a 'scorched earth' answer, denying the existence of trans people in order to re-promote our rights. I'm good with that too.

I think some of us on here won't be happy until a politician essentially pushes trans people back into the margins they were in back in the 2010s.

Dull, maybe? Intelligent, methodical, determined, almost certainly. I don't want someone on a zip wire, I want a person with scruples to be PM.

My useful comment is that if you like and respect someone enough to vote for them, and share articles that show them in a positive light to enough others to like and vote for them, then the very least you can do is spell their 4-letter name correctly.

He'll start well but it won't be long before he becomes a puppet of the left of the party.

It is terribly bad manners to criticise spelling.

I like him. I'm sick of the bullshitting.

I read that piece this morning on Twitter and felt that he seems genuine.
I cannot abide Sunaks mock pathetic gestures a moment longer

My useful comment is that this is pure pedantry. And that the OP's first post has far more value in it, than a bunch of auto-correct attempts below the line.

I think he's too intelligent for that. He's not a millionaire who's doing it for kicks. He's got scruples.

Strong voices around him though. Stronger than his own convictions.

That's an extraordinary assumption, and the kind of thing which is amusingly being peddled by the losing Tories as a desperate attempt to scare folk away from him.

What's fascinating is how little the modern Labour party is understood. For Keir to become a "puppet", there would have to be strong and scary puppet masters in the background.

The actual reality is that if Keir becomes PM, the same setup we see at the NEC and conference, will continue. Many frustrated Left wing activists will bite their tongue and fall into line for the promise of power or patronage. Others will mouth off on TV, and find their influence wane etc.

There isn't a shadow government or a Left-wing cabal waiting to pull Keir into line. Please can people stop peddling this stuff... it's just weird.

Name five of these strong voices, and their position in the Labour organisation. I'd love to hear it.

You think? I think we'll be at war with Russia within a few months if they get in.

We'll also have perverts in our toilets and changing rooms and probably be arrested for even thinking about speaking out about it. That's the lefts usual stance, isn't it, fascism?