Kier Starmer - what he'll be like as a PM

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So this is the first time Ive seen anything written about Kier Starmer and I like the man described.

Am I being unreasonable?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/how-keir-starmer-s-past-shows-what-he-would-be-like-as-prime-minister/ar-BB1peeCe?ocid=nl_article_link&cvid=68253a8bd44444739b56e177e78f2264&ei=21

Competence is a really refreshing word for a prospective leader of our government. Not heard that description for a long time.

Whereas I want my grandchildren to have access to clean rivers and seas to swim in where they don't have to dodge actual shit.
A health service that is fit for purpose. Schools that don't have demoralised teachers who have been treated with contempt by the government.
Housing they can afford to actually live in and buy.
An economy that is steady and strong.
Politicians that aren't narcissists and believe in creating a more just society that supports those right at the bottom more than those right at the top.
Less blatant corruption and cronyism at the heart of government.
For my granddaughters to feel like they have a future that is positive, that will include safe spaces but also the ability to afford to live a decent life, go to university without being broke forever, afford to have children if they want in a world that climate change has hopefully been addressed. Have a court system that deals effectively with violence against women, that has prisons that rather being so full they create more problems than they solve. Keir won't sort out all of the above but he will at least not want to add to make it worse.

I also admire someone who is prepared to take on the dreadful mess created in the last 14 years. He could easily retire in comfort. He's prepared to make a difference.

@MoonshineSon thank you - exactly.
I was reading that just before the 97 election there were rumours that Blair would cause the car industry to collapse and that introducing the minimum wage would mean millions unemployed and businesses going bankrupt. I think scaremongering is a tactic.

Knowing he doesn't even have to do as well as Corbyn did to win the election must be one real source of encouragement for Starmer.

Another has to be not having to contend with that blonde buffoon spouting garbage about "getting the thing done" that voters were too thick to not get sucked by in all over again after being duped by the same liar's "bonanza for the NHS" bus first time around.

Truth is, irrespective of all the pontificating here and elsewhere by supporters spouting opinion and him yet to do a single day in government, all Starmer's shown himself capable of thus far is not being as bad as Sunk & Co and not standing on establishment/media toes. Some might even call his actions appeasement.

Oh do stop! My very first comment was clearly at the OP for spelling the man's name wrong. It's not hard.

What evidence is there that he would be anyone's puppet? He's worked hard to move the party back towards the middle ground. This just sounds like scaremongering from someone who doesn't want a Labour government.

After Johnson, and to a lesser extent, Blair, I never want a “charismatic” prime minister again. Dull and hardworking is what they should be, not comedians.

I’m sure he’s a pleasant enough man but in my opinion he lacks the courage and situational awareness to be a great prime minister.

This a very fawning article but he sounds fine. I don’t agree with his politics though. There is a bit of evangelical zeal about some of the posts on Keir Starmer on mn. He will certainly have to be a miracle worker to sort this country out.

I remember the minimum wage hysteria, including a particularly animated discussion between John Prescott and Michael Heseltine on Question Time about it. Then they introduced it and….. everyone just cracked on, except with more pay.

Yes there seems to be on here

What will test him are his own policies which won’t be workable and I wonder how some voters will react to that and what he’ll do about it

A sensible, mature and measured adult who will be a better administrator and leader.

We have had a series of entitled dangerous clowns in government who think that a leader is someone who shouts louder than everyone else, focuses on pleasing the right wing press and constantly lie to the public, making up stats and facts as they go.

About time we got back to grown-up politics and have people in charge who put the country, not themselves, first and have some integrity.

I think he will try too hard to please all factions, and please no-one in the process.

I don't think many people expect miracles, I think most of us are aware of how much damage has been done by the past 14 years. I do think he's the right sort of person to begin the process of correcting it though.

I hope he will be competent, dull, a good judge of character and ability in those he appoints to key roles, and resistant to corruption. But I'm assuming nothing.

He’s a bit of a wet fish imo. What’s wild about the Labour Party is it’s full of privately educated toffs who still privately educate THEIR kids but they want the population to actual believe they are there for working class people. They really aren’t. You want more benefits than vote labour, but everyone else will be paying more tax to fund so most working people will be worse off. Not to mention the fact that he gives zero fucks about actual women and thinks that men wanting to be women are better women ( and more important to protect) than women. It’s a firm no from me.

I hope this is a typo:

”He will do everything he can to forget international alliances with America, but also with other partners”

I think an auto carrot happened 🤣

im warming to Starmer more and more. I think the campaign has been good to him.

Labour are in power in Wales, where all of those things are indeed worse. "A blueprint for a Labour Britain" according to Sir Keir.

To be fair, and as no fan of Starmer whatsoever, Wales has no more politico-economic autocracy than a Labour-run council.

So let's stop regurgitating garbage the skip rat tories are using to try to deny their 40-year legacy of catastrophic failure in government eh?

Far more competent than any of the Tory leadership of the last 14 years.

It's politics not X factor. Voting for popular "acts" is what has created this mess.

Don't vote for the person you want to go down the pub with, vote for the person you'd want to be your kids headteacher or the person who deals with your complaint at PALS or your accountant. I wouldn't have faith in Rishi Sunak to be any of those things, and the idea of Nigel Farage doing it makes me shudder.

We need to step back from the idea of politics as entertainment. I think we also need to look at compromise, particularly with women's rights/trans issues. There's a path to be forged but it's not going to happen arguing in absolutes and sniping at each other.

I don't have much knowledge about Starmer apart from a radio 4 deep dive programme last year. They interviewed people in his life right from school mates, to university peers, to colleagues at the CPS to PLP and union staff as well as his constituents and to be honest it was all positive and pretty benign, lots of 'unshakeable value base' kind of stuff. We don't know the influences he will be under as PM do we? They definitely change once they are in power, it would take a very special person to have the mettle to stick to their core values under the pressure. I wouldn't want that job for all the money in the world.

I do wonder what people actually want from a prime ministers and politicians? They don't want populist liars (Johnson), (socialist protestors) Corbyn, kamikaze (Truss), economy focussed but poor at governance (Sunak), right wingers (Patel, Braverman), people heavily influenced by their party (May), posh and out of touch (Cameron), machiavellian (Blair), odd (Brown), boring (Major). I guess when you are choosing one human they will never fulfil the needs of 66 million plus people and I have never seen trtust in politics and the public discourse around it at such a low point. I think the one thing we could do with as a country is a bit of stability. Let's hope Starmer can give us at least a bit of that if he is elected.

We should NOT have to compromise women's rights! This is one area that does deal in absolutes. Men absolutely cannot be women and humans absolutely cannot change sex.