Kier Starmer - what he'll be like as a PM

[Dibbydoos]

So this is the first time Ive seen anything written about Kier Starmer and I like the man described.

Am I being unreasonable?

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@EasternStandard

Honestly I'm in no position to suggest changes to legislation.

But I do see that, for the most part, these are practical problems.

But they involve money. And pubs and clubs and swimming pools etc ad infinitum.

The hard bit.

They don't pass as feminine, we can spot them at 50 paces. Yes it may be a minority who have predatory tendencies but nonetheless we must legislate for all it can't obviously be on a case by case basis.

Trans people need to be practical. Shop online as many if not most people do nowadays so there'd is no need to access women's changing areas in shops. Toilets? Well I'd plan my day so I could go to the toilet at home. I've no idea what is wrong with using men's facilities when out and about though, what are trans people afraid of, Is it really getting attacked by men?

The only solution is having a gender neutral cubicle in the mens toilet. A combined facility.

@Janiie

"what are trans people afraid of, Is it really getting attacked by men?"

Yes, of course. It happens every day.

"The only solution is having a gender neutral cubicle in the mens toilet"

Or a separate gender neutral toilet.

@Janiie

"They don't pass as feminine, we can spot them at 50 paces."

Honestly, many do. Many present more feminine than I do!

So you think these transpeople should be allowed to use women's facilities on the basis that a minoirty of men may react and attack them? Can you really not see the irony in your posts?

'Honestly, many do. Many present more feminine than I do!'

No. They don't. No amount of lipstick and ladies clothes can disguise the size of hands, the size of shoulders, feet, their gait etc. General masculine traits.

@Janiie

"So you think these transpeople should be allowed to use women's facilities on the basis that a minoirty of men may react and attack them? Can you really not see the irony in your posts?"

Please re-read my post. I absolutely did not say that. Quite the opposite.

@Janiie

For the avoidance of doubt, I said this:

And no, it’s not women’s responsibility to give up their single-sex spaces in order to solve where trans women go to the loo, or get changed, or access healthcare, or indeed go to prison.

What people wear or put on their faces is not relevant to sex

@EasternStandard

I never said it was.

@EasternStandard @Janiie

Again..

And no, it’s not women’s responsibility to give up their single-sex spaces in order to solve where trans women go to the loo, or get changed, or access healthcare, or indeed go to prison.

HOWEVER it IS society’s issue to solve where trans women do these things, because no one could surely think it’s acceptable, or safe, for feminine trans women to have to use a men’s public toilet, or changing room.

And it can’t be beyond us to find a practical solution, to what is for the most part a practical problem.

I accept that most people don't know feminine trans folk in their everyday lives.

So it might be hard to appreciate how awful, impractical and soul-destroying their lives can be.

Again, feminine trans folk need to go to the loo. Men's loos are dangerous places for these people.

The solution is a practical and one, which does not mean women giving up our single-sex spaces.

Practical. That's it. A separate loo or something which should not be beyond us.

It is a pity Starmer accepted those free football tickets. What was the point of that?

Fine by me. I don’t think women are the barrier to third spaces as single sex spaces are then protected

It tends to be TRA opposition there

'Practical. That's it. A separate loo or something which should not be beyond us.'

But there isn't an infinite of space to build these extra toilets. Ask disabled people who would dearly love more accessible facilities.

What we need to do is adapt what we have. A sign on mens toilets saying gender neutral would surely suffice?

Kier Starmer is the kind of politician I want to see in parliament: successful (outside politics, i.e. not another career politician), history of public service, hardworking, intelligent. He doesn't seem particularly dull to me, I mean he is asked policy questions - the poor guy, but I accept people find him so. Dull isn't a negative for me in a politician.

I struggle with the woman question. I think it is not well thought through and could be very damaging for women. In regards to the toilets convo above, I would also say third spaces are the only reasonable and vaguely practical solution. I would support these.

But much as I have real and I think valid concerns with the gender identity policies, I also have a lot of other concerns - and on a lot of the other issues (which often disproportionately impact women anyway), I think Labour are better. So I will probably vote for them anyway. Also I am not convinced the Tories or Lib Dems are any better on that issue

I understand he's a big football fan, I imagine it's not very easy for him to just rock up into the general stands so accepts hospitality.

It's all been declared properly, I can't get too worked up about it

@EasternStandard

"Fine by me. I don’t think women are the barrier to third spaces as single sex spaces are then protected

It tends to be TRA opposition there"

Honestly, I've no idea about TRA opposition or anything else.

I am purely looking at this from a practical viewpoint.

And what may be workable, for all concerned.

Exactly. He's been told it's not safe any more to sit in the stands as he has up until now.

I think it’s fine to want single sex spaces for women. I’m totally with you

But that’s pretty much what has been said for a while so if you’ve joined in asking for the same then great. More the merrier : )

The hard part is getting there, with legislation and policy change

@EasternStandard

I totally agree with you.

Parties have been falling over themselves to jump into the trans debate, competing to win the argument over "what is a woman" while providing zero answers to practical problems.

When actually, it boils down to very everyday things.

I think he will be competent & have lines that he will never cross. His cabinet will be strictly led, he will fire anyone who steps out of line, be more trustworthy than any of the charlatans we have had over the last 14 years.

You make a spot on point, @JacquesHarlow I know people who vote tory because it elevates them above others. These people are not the 1% but on benefits!

The OP mixed up the e and the i, it happens sometimes.

Are you usually this bothered when an OP makes a spelling error that doesn't change the question? Maybe a cup of tea, sit down and unclutch the pearls. Deep breaths too. Good luck and relax.

On the subject of defining a woman, Keir was asked and struggled because it's difficult.

Those of us born a woman might say we have ovaries and a womb or we can child bear, but trans men have all of those organs and ability so a biological explanation doesn't work.

I don't recall Rishi being asked the same question.

The thing is, does it matter? 'Man' has no sex in law ie we're all equal in the eyes of the law, allegedly.

And what's the definition of a man? Why is the focus on females and never on males????

But please focus on my question and not on that one event! Pick on Rishi for tge £21b fraud that happened in his first 4months!

@BusyCM oh my bad!

But what's your view?