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To think that asking people if they have kids is an innocent question

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SiberFox · 30/06/2024 15:10

Two of my best friends are childless not by choice and finding it hard, and I’m learning to navigate that as a friend with a baby. Blogs, podcasts and forums for the childless have been really helpful for me to better understand how they might be feeling/what not to say etc, as well as my personal experience of recurrent miscarriage. I am on board with most advice I’ve seen so far.

However, something that I’ve seen frequently on there is the condemnation of the “do you have children?” question - it keeps bugging me. I understand where it comes from - when you’re grieving, it must be triggering, uncomfortable, painful to be reminded of that/to try and find an adequate answer. But the conclusion that it should therefore be banned as a “lazy”, “insensitive”, “triggering” question just seems like an overreaction? It’s not like asking a stranger how many kids they’ve got which would be stupid and insensitive as an assumption, it’s just establishing a basic fact about the person. I’ve seen many people say that it’s completely not interesting/irrelevant as you get to know the person, but how is it irrelevant? It’s literally one of the major things to know about someone.

I’m finding the “Where do you come from” question uncomfortable at the moment because my country is screwing up politically on the global arena but it doesn’t make me think that we should ban the question. Anything can be triggering - asking about someone’s line of work (what if they’re unemployed), etc etc, where do we draw the line?

AIBU that there is nothing wrong with the question per se? Or am I lacking empathy here?

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TunnocksOrDeath · 05/07/2024 18:14

I think it's one of those questions where unless you're a complete arse, you need to try to find a response to their (yes/no) answer that won't kill the conversation stone dead, or upset/offend anyone, and that is REALLY difficult to do if you don't know their circumstances; but if you knew their circumstances, you wouldn't need to ask anyway.

MagpiePi · 06/07/2024 08:17

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 05/07/2024 09:05

Have you RTFT, @MagpiePi? I think it’s a relevant question.

Yes I have read everything.

I think that childlessness has become some kind of holy cow that is not allowed to be discussed, coupled with the trend for thinking that negative thoughts or emotions are hugely mentally damaging and must not be experienced under any circumstances, but it is up to everyone else to not bring up any topic that might upset you.
So you get situations where a pregnant woman is not allowed to mention or be happy about her pregnancy because another woman does not have children.

If you are asked why you don’t have children and you say something like ‘it just didn’t work out for me’ then the vast majority of people are going to recognise that you don’t want to discuss it further and will respect that. There is no need to go in all guns blazing at the first mention of the subject.

KimberleyClark · 06/07/2024 09:26

MagpiePi · 06/07/2024 08:17

Yes I have read everything.

I think that childlessness has become some kind of holy cow that is not allowed to be discussed, coupled with the trend for thinking that negative thoughts or emotions are hugely mentally damaging and must not be experienced under any circumstances, but it is up to everyone else to not bring up any topic that might upset you.
So you get situations where a pregnant woman is not allowed to mention or be happy about her pregnancy because another woman does not have children.

If you are asked why you don’t have children and you say something like ‘it just didn’t work out for me’ then the vast majority of people are going to recognise that you don’t want to discuss it further and will respect that. There is no need to go in all guns blazing at the first mention of the subject.

Why do you think people are entitled to know that you wanted children and couldn’t have them?

Why isn’t a completely factual answer to the question acceptable?

And some parents get upset if someone says “no, I didn’t want them”- they feel their choice to have them is being attacked, when it isn’t.

daliesque · 06/07/2024 11:23

If you want to come across as rude and aggressive and say ‘fuck off, none of your business’ to what was probably an innocent question from someone who is interested in you, then that’s up to you.

If the extent of someone's interest in me is my reproductive status then they are not someone I'm interested in getting to know, so fuck off is a perfect response.

EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 06/07/2024 11:36

If you are asked why you don’t have children and you say something like ‘it just didn’t work out for me’ then the vast majority of people are going to recognise that you don’t want to discuss it further and will respect that. There is no need to go in all guns blazing at the first mention of the subject.

There's a difference between not going in all guns blazing, and fudging around the issue with a vague comment like ‘it just didn’t work out for me’ to make other people more comfortable. Personally, if people ask, I simply tell them the truth: I have never wanted children. I say it perfectly politely and non-aggressively, so if that makes them feel uncomfortable then it's on them to broaden their mindsets imho. I'm not willing to use any platitudes about things 'not working out' when that's not the truth of the matter.

Catsmere · 06/07/2024 12:14

If you are asked why you don’t have children

To reiterate: it's none of their fucking business. How dare someone ask such a question of a stranger? It's not asked innocently. It's an interrogation. Last time it happened to me was only a couple of months ago. Total stranger, a neighbour's daughter I"d met once, for five minutes, quizzing me about why I wasn't interested in minding her kid.

MagpiePi · 07/07/2024 10:45

EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 06/07/2024 11:36

If you are asked why you don’t have children and you say something like ‘it just didn’t work out for me’ then the vast majority of people are going to recognise that you don’t want to discuss it further and will respect that. There is no need to go in all guns blazing at the first mention of the subject.

There's a difference between not going in all guns blazing, and fudging around the issue with a vague comment like ‘it just didn’t work out for me’ to make other people more comfortable. Personally, if people ask, I simply tell them the truth: I have never wanted children. I say it perfectly politely and non-aggressively, so if that makes them feel uncomfortable then it's on them to broaden their mindsets imho. I'm not willing to use any platitudes about things 'not working out' when that's not the truth of the matter.

The 'It didn't work out for me' is for people who wanted children but couldn't have them. If you never wanted children then I agree with you that you should just say so.

I think what I am trying to get across is, asking about children is just one part of your life that a stranger might ask about, along with your work, where you live or where you are from, whether you have pets. Any of these could be a upsetting for you; you've just unexpectedly been made redundant, you've escaped an abusive relationship, your cat has just been run over, but the person asking doesn't know this. Why should asking about children be singled out as taboo?

The VAST MAJORITY of people would recognise that you don't want to elaborate on a particular topic depending on your initial response and would have the good manners to not probe further. If they do then you are perfectly entitled to say 'fuck off, it's none of your business' but as a first response it is just rude.

EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 07/07/2024 11:06

MagpiePi · 07/07/2024 10:45

The 'It didn't work out for me' is for people who wanted children but couldn't have them. If you never wanted children then I agree with you that you should just say so.

I think what I am trying to get across is, asking about children is just one part of your life that a stranger might ask about, along with your work, where you live or where you are from, whether you have pets. Any of these could be a upsetting for you; you've just unexpectedly been made redundant, you've escaped an abusive relationship, your cat has just been run over, but the person asking doesn't know this. Why should asking about children be singled out as taboo?

The VAST MAJORITY of people would recognise that you don't want to elaborate on a particular topic depending on your initial response and would have the good manners to not probe further. If they do then you are perfectly entitled to say 'fuck off, it's none of your business' but as a first response it is just rude.

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Not everyone would ask the other questions either, though. Depending on the overall vibe of a conversation, it can feel fine to ask things like that, or it can feel intrusive. And personally I think whether someone has kids is much more of a potentially loaded question than where they are from or whether they have any pets, for example. It's not something I ask people.

PaperSheet · 07/07/2024 11:08

One issue with "it didn't work out for me" is that it won't always work depending on your age.
I'm 43 but look younger (not much, but most people say 37-40). So when you say "it didn't work out for me" you'd be surprised by the amount of people that start volunteering their stories of "oh my cousin thought she couldn't have kids but would you believe it!! She had a surprise at 45 then ANOTHER at 47!!! So never say never! You never know! It might still happen!!"
Or even people that say "have you tried IVF? My best friends sister couldn't have kids but then had twins with IVF!"
So "it didn't work out for me" doesn't always work to end the conversation. I imagine it will work better once I clearly look past the age to have any real "hope" of a pregnancy. So maybe 50+.

KimberleyClark · 07/07/2024 11:13

@PaperSheet It’s such a relief when you’re obviously past childbearing age! I did look about 45 when I was 50 and I still got the unhelpful anecdotes about Auntie Mary who thought she was menopausal and it turned out she was pregnant.

Fecked · 07/07/2024 11:21

Rycbar · 30/06/2024 15:37

It’s a hard one. I can see both sides. I can see how someone would see it as a completely innocent question, trying to get the I know someone. However, having struggled to get pregnant and currently miscarrying my first pregnancy being asked a question like that is absolutely soul crushing. Im a teacher and a parent made a completely innocent joke along the lines of ‘you next’ the other day (I got married last summer so I can see the logic) and she had no idea I was currently waiting for my body to realise my baby had died. However she didn’t need to say that at all and I had to rush away because I could barely contain the tears.

I’m so sorry for your loss. Sending you kind wishes.

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