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To think that asking people if they have kids is an innocent question

211 replies

SiberFox · 30/06/2024 15:10

Two of my best friends are childless not by choice and finding it hard, and I’m learning to navigate that as a friend with a baby. Blogs, podcasts and forums for the childless have been really helpful for me to better understand how they might be feeling/what not to say etc, as well as my personal experience of recurrent miscarriage. I am on board with most advice I’ve seen so far.

However, something that I’ve seen frequently on there is the condemnation of the “do you have children?” question - it keeps bugging me. I understand where it comes from - when you’re grieving, it must be triggering, uncomfortable, painful to be reminded of that/to try and find an adequate answer. But the conclusion that it should therefore be banned as a “lazy”, “insensitive”, “triggering” question just seems like an overreaction? It’s not like asking a stranger how many kids they’ve got which would be stupid and insensitive as an assumption, it’s just establishing a basic fact about the person. I’ve seen many people say that it’s completely not interesting/irrelevant as you get to know the person, but how is it irrelevant? It’s literally one of the major things to know about someone.

I’m finding the “Where do you come from” question uncomfortable at the moment because my country is screwing up politically on the global arena but it doesn’t make me think that we should ban the question. Anything can be triggering - asking about someone’s line of work (what if they’re unemployed), etc etc, where do we draw the line?

AIBU that there is nothing wrong with the question per se? Or am I lacking empathy here?

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Handyweatherstation · 30/06/2024 17:24

TorturedPoetsDepartmentAnthology · 30/06/2024 17:12

I would never directly ask. Many people who are childless not by choice have been through a lot of trauma and it would stir it up. It’s important to listen to people in that situation and hear their voices. People have told me it’s painful and I respect them, so I avoid asking.

It isn’t difficult for me to not ask but it might be difficult for some people to be asked.

It was trauma that stopped me having children. By the time my mental health was in a fit state to consider having them it was too late. Don't know if I regret it or not, but I've accepted it.

For a while a family member on DH's side of the family would regularly bombard me with pictures of his small grandchildren and his wife's grandchildren. So many babies and toddlers! It got too much in the end and I had to ask them to stop.

LtJudyHopps · 30/06/2024 17:24

The problem isn't the question itself for me, it’s the conversation that follows after. So it’s easier to cut the head off the snake by not asking.
I don’t have kids yet, would love them but over a year of trying and nothing yet… but because of my age everyone asks me why we don’t have any yet. My partner gets asked often as well but doesn’t get the same conversation afterwards that I seem to get.

AddictedToBooks · 30/06/2024 17:25

I always feel so awkward when I'm asked this question as I have lost all 6 of my children during pregnancy and I don't like answering with "I don't have children" because I did - they all grew, lived and had heartbeats inside me, it's just that sadly my body kept letting us down.
However, if I acknowledge my children, I feel like I'm telling lies.
If I try saying the whole truth "I had 6 babies, but lost them all" - I'm usually hit by a stonewall of silence before the awkward change of conversation or even worse, them wanting to know the ins and outs of why and how far gone I was with each baby.

I just prefer not to be asked at all - especially as I can't have any more.

Mrsttcno1 · 30/06/2024 17:27

OneTC · 30/06/2024 15:20

I don't mind if someone asks if we have children. Why don't we have children is different though.

This would be my stance as well. I think it’s totally fine to ask if someone has children, but if the answer is no then it is never acceptable to ask why

Whatshappning · 30/06/2024 17:31

FreeRider · 30/06/2024 16:17

If I'm asked, I always reply "No I don't have them for the same reason I'd never have a dog - I intensely dislike them".

Never fails to shut them up. It's also has the bonus of being true!

I love kids but this made me chuckle 🤭

I don’t think it’s a great question tbh not many people ask it of me for some reason except for guys I’m dating which makes sense for them to ask!

None of my colleagues or people I meet at parties etc ask me though. Maybe I don’t look very motherly /maternal ? 😂

For people who have kids saying it’s not an offensive or awkward question - well it clearly is to many people and you don’t know how it feels like for some of them so why be so entitled and inconsiderate?

If you know it triggers a lot of people why not just wait until someone offers up that information? Do you really need to ask it (unless you’re looking to get into a relationship with them)?

I agree with a pp - ask more open questions like what do they do with their free time etc and if they want to discuss their kids they will.

TisTheSummerSeason · 30/06/2024 17:36

Everyone has their own issues. Their own pasts, their own ghosts. We can’t stop saying X, Y and Z in case we offend someone.

It’s not appropriate to police peoples language. Deal with your own issues yourself, don’t try and stop others having perfectly normal conversation.

Onelifeonly · 30/06/2024 17:37

Personally I wouldn't ask someone if they had children or a partner, as both can be difficult for people who may want those things and not have them. If they are people I get to know over time, I wait until they talk about them before mentioning their children/ partner. To start with I'd talk about known common interests - at work, an aspect of that or something else they have mentioned; at the gym, about classes they go to or if they live locally etc; on holiday, other places they've visited, where they live etc.

Surely that's normal rather than to blunder in asking personal questions?

I struggled with infertility and sadly got used to awkward questions and responses - some hurt more than others, but essentially it wasn't their business, since I told people of my issues when and if I was ready to. We should respect others' privacy imo.

Toddlerteaplease · 30/06/2024 17:37

I frequently get asked if I have children as I'm a paeds nurse. I haven't got them, but wanted them. I just laugh and say I have cats. It makes me really sad. But it doesn't bother me that they ask.

HuongVuong3 · 30/06/2024 17:39

I teach Early Years and people just assume I have children. I don't and never wanted to!

jigglypuff7722 · 30/06/2024 17:39

As a few people have said it's the bit that comes after that that is the problem not the actual question
People usually say something like "oh lucky you!" or "must be so nice to be able to go on holidays and stuff" etc etc and in the midst of IVF and miscarriages and stuff that's the really triggering bit !

Whatshappning · 30/06/2024 17:40

So sorry to hear this - I can’t imagine how it feels to hear that question asked of you 💐 @AddictedToBooks

What also annoys me is if you’re going to ask questions like that you should be prepared for all kinds of responses instead of making things get awkward.

Truth is many people aren’t equipped to handle any other response other than “yes, I have 2” which is another reason they shouldn’t be asking.

It’s just massively insensitive, if me and most people I encounter can develop connections (professional , friendships etc ) without asking others if they have kids or not , everyone on this thread should be able to as well - or they are really just dull and lack imagination. If you talk to someone long enough they’ll probably disclose it to you at some point directly or indirectly . Eg. I end up telling people I live alone and like to travel during term time to get cheaper flights. And at my age it’s unlikely I have adult children so they probably (rightly) assume I don’t have kids.

stayathomer · 30/06/2024 17:41

Small talk can always be messy when you don’t know someone- my db doesn’t work and probably never will (autism issues) and the ‘what do you/ what does he do?’ question is a stumbling block for everyone depending on the person and day!

MMMarmite · 30/06/2024 17:44

I think there are lots of questions that can trigger hurt, depending on your life history, and it's not feasible to avoid them all. Otherwise you'd never be able to find out anything about anyone!

As someone who's not had kids yet and is worried that I won't, I don't mind if the question comes up naturally in conversation, e.g. when discussing their own kids. It's more about the intention - whether they just want to find out about my life, or whether they're only interested in friendship if I say yes (I do occasionally get that vibe from people).

Blanketenvy · 30/06/2024 17:44

SewingIsMySuperPower · 30/06/2024 15:28

I think the problem with the question is how you handle the answer. If someone says yes, you can ask about their child/ren. If someone says no, what's the reaction? Asking why is definitely an intrusive and potentially rude question. But I'd imagine that's the next thing most people would say.

I'm childfree and have no issue with being asked. But I know too many people for who it would be an upsetting question.

Yeah this. I understand why people ask, and it's a totally reasonable although a difficult question for me as someone who is CNBC. What I do struggle with is the 'good for you' or 'you can have one of mine' responses but I get it's not necessarily easy to know how to respond.

GGMethod · 30/06/2024 17:45

It has definitely been added to the list of questions that I don't ask. I learnt that that 25 years ago, before I had children. People usually reveal what they want to in due course - prefer to ask more open ended questions.

Lavenderflower · 30/06/2024 17:47

I don't ask because I truly don't care whether someone has children or not. Also, it is a sensitive question for some. If someone has children, they will usually bring it up. There is no need to ask.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 30/06/2024 17:49

This is a very triggering question for me and I have to hold back tears if I'm asked it. So if you don't fancy dealing with that, don't ask.

Wishimaywishimight · 30/06/2024 17:52

It's just chit-chat. I just answer "No. How about you?". I'm happy to listen to someone talk about their kids or admire the photos. No harm intended and no offence taken as far as I'm concerned (although I would, no doubt, feel a little different if I had wanted children but couldn't have them.

Onelifeonly · 30/06/2024 17:57

TisTheSummerSeason · 30/06/2024 17:36

Everyone has their own issues. Their own pasts, their own ghosts. We can’t stop saying X, Y and Z in case we offend someone.

It’s not appropriate to police peoples language. Deal with your own issues yourself, don’t try and stop others having perfectly normal conversation.

But some subjects are more universal than others - children and partners are aspects of life most people will have thought about even if they've decided they are not for them. I also don't ask about their religion or politics unless I have a sense of their views on these. Or what they earn etc

There may be seemingly innocuous subjects that could be highly triggering to certain people. Off the top of my head, mentioning swimming to someone whose loved one drowned. And clearly we can't avoid these necessarily.

But generally asking open questions or taking about known interests or commonalities makes more sense than simply asking whatever we want, without any regard to the fact it could be a sore subject for them.

Mountainpika · 30/06/2024 18:12

My question to people I've not met before is, "Do you have family round here?" which can mean whatever they want it to mean. An aunt, a sibling, none, a spouse and half a dozen kids, grandparents.

PinkArt · 30/06/2024 18:23

I'm childfree and echo the others saying that if you ask the question you have to know where you are going with the conversation when I say no. It's a question set up for a yes - how many, what ages etc - and so the no always feels like it's killed the expectations of the asker.

Klippityklopp · 30/06/2024 18:25

OneTC · 30/06/2024 15:20

I don't mind if someone asks if we have children. Why don't we have children is different though.

I think this sums it up perfectly.

CobaltQueen · 30/06/2024 18:30

I don't have kids and am single. I am 39.
I hate it when people ask 'Do you have kids' I say I don't and they look a bit awkward. 'What about a partner?' I reply again saying I don't and they look even more awkward. It can rattle even the strongest of people to go against the grain of what is the norm.

HeyMona · 30/06/2024 18:33

Wishimaywishimight · 30/06/2024 17:52

It's just chit-chat. I just answer "No. How about you?". I'm happy to listen to someone talk about their kids or admire the photos. No harm intended and no offence taken as far as I'm concerned (although I would, no doubt, feel a little different if I had wanted children but couldn't have them.

You would only feel a little different?
It’s a whole different world.

DickJagger · 30/06/2024 18:39

It isn't a question I would ever ask, simply because I'm not interested in talking about children at all. Also, if I am trying to get to know somebody then I want to get to know them, not their kids.