To let you all know :Jane the mntter held keir to acct, brilliantly on radio today and it's viral.

[JaneVapeman]

Unfortunately I can't link to her clip, but she's a star and a hero. She pinned him down and cut through the "twaddle". I am a swing voter and would have been proud of a mntter holding any mp to account on an important issue like Jane did. Jane is/was even trending on twitter.

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On that note, look out for their 'strengthening of hate crime laws'.

BOTH sides engage in toxic and aggressive discourse. Whilst one side might take it further than the other at times, there is nothing to be gained from aggressive and bullying rhetoric.

On that note, look out for their 'strengthening of hate crime laws'.

Yes, exactly.

Yes we can puncture gender ideology pretty quickly with accurate language

Yes one side physically assaults and threatens death and rape, the other sighs at a politician. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other.

So we've to sit on our hands, plaster a smile on our faces, and keep our mouths shut about the violations and indignities visited upon women and girls since this shitshow started, and not make a peep, because it's not respectful and because no-one wanted to engage at that precise moment? Have you even heard of the "no debate" mantra that was the standard reply when women tried to argue against this ideology and its insidious poisoning of schools, police, courts, sports, politics and more?
Yet now, we are told that because some fucking man decides he MIGHT grant a few minutes of his time to pretend to address our concerns, that we should be overjoyed and welcome the opportunity with fawning grateful relief?
Women are angry. We have been ignored for years. Don't talk to us about respect and debate. They don't work when you are dealing with absolute dictatorial brainwashed lunatics.
I suggest you follow the links already provided and then come back and tell us about "respect" again.

So true

It’s back to that ‘both sides’ rhetoric when the 70 year old woman was punched in the face

Politicians, media and some posters said it then too

Yes we can puncture gender ideology pretty quickly with accurate language

That's why JKR did what she did in Scotland, just before their law came into force. She made it difficult to prosecute anyone simply for calling a man a man.

I do find there's a tendency for some people to view assertive disagreement as being 'offensive' and 'bullying' where actually it's simply robust arguments which apparently they're OK to use, but it's bullying when it's people they disagree with doing the same.

I really don’t think you know what you are talking about. Rape and death threats are entirely the preserve of gender ideologists.

On the sex realist side, seeking answers to legitimate questions and outlining where the problem with legislation lie is the way we go about things. Sometimes, when we get fobbed off with nonsense answers, we get a bit snippy and interrupt. There is no equivalence.

What Fluffy said.

As soon as the notion of “hate crime” hit the statute book, we should all have been worried, because this really is a slippery slope, in the wrong hands.

This really comes down to your area and your own beliefs I think. Mine is an actual Tory stronghold but I think the votes will be quite chipped away at. Therefore spoiling may be too big a risk as I want an Opposition that will hold the government to account, and other parties seem to be doing a lot to get in here.

Both sides!? I made a joke upthread about putting up a sign 'sick of Starmer's twaddle'. I wasn't joking though when I wrote, I might not because I was worried I'd have my window put through. The violence is entirely from one side.

Typo

Mine is too @ResisterOfTwaddleRex and I don’t want to spoil my ballot paper but based on this thread I’m not sure I want to vote Labour, or Lib Dem either now!

Oh yes, both sides.

On the one side, women have been punched in the face for attending a women's rights meeting in a park, a film due to be shown at a University was unable to be shown not once but three times because of the blockading (and spitting) by TRA's, the 'fascist baby' nonsense, A Women's Place UK with their list of all their meetings which have been disrupted including when a venue was entirely surrounded, when the biggest feminist conference in Europe met in Glasgow and attendees were greeted at the main station with abuse and obscenities, MSP's being pictured underneath signs saying 'decapitate terfs', women being forced out of employment because they said that a woman asking for single sex rape crisis support shouldn't be gaslit with a 'non binary' obfuscation, and the countless meetings where masked men have attended women's rights rallies in order to intimidate women.

And on the other....erm. Well....

Not 'being kind'. I suppose.

Promising to tackle VAWG and making misogyny a hate crime means nothing when everyone supporting the proposals is talking about "gender based violence".

We all know it will be used to punish women who refuse to validate a man's lady feels.

Come on. There has been tutting. And even, I seem to recall, eye rolling.

How on EARTH can you say that with a straight face?

Lets have your examples of the 'toxic and aggressive discourse' from the GC side?

And sighing! Don’t forget the sighing

the sighing is brutal!!!!

I live in a traditional Labour area but in 2019 Conservative won.

He's standing again - he seems fairly decent as an individual and he’s been ok as a constituency MP, but it’s not a by-election, we are essentially electing a government and literally nothing is better now than it was 14 years ago and most things are substantially worse.

The Labour candidate comes across as a complete dickhead. She’s like a labour candidate in a Victoria Wood sketch - on about racing pigeons and soot.

The odds are 1/25 for labour and 12/1 for Conservative - labour is going to win this constituency with or without my help and really, atm, I’d rather they did it without. We don’t have an independent. I won’t vote reform (for too many reasons to list) or green or libdem (Aimee Channelor plus even worse for women than labour is) or conservative (they’ve had 14 years and have fucked it), and I’ve essentially decided against Labour since the question time leaders debate (Jane and yesterday’s refusal to answer the question again have made me more resolute). Unless he turns it around before Thursday then I’m spoiling my ballot. I might feel differently if I lived somewhere like Clacton, Richmond or Uxbridge, but I don’t.

Coming soon: sighing to be made an indictable offence

It is almost certainly classed as a microaggression at the very least. Avoidance is already and sighing must be acres more violent than that.

This - the both sides are toxic bullshit is an appalling misrepresentation of what is going on.

Going by Keir’s clenched fist in the clip he seems put out enough