To wonder why there only seems outrage about TW in spaces where women are vulnerable and not men in general?

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As I've said 'seems' it might not actually be the case. But I read a lot on here about it being wrong to allow TW where women are vulnerable. For example just read about a TW being an HCA to a woman.

But what doesn't seem to be discussed is men being in these spaces. For example men being on a psychiatric ward with women? There doesn't seem to be an outcry about that? Why not?

I posted your OP. And bolded the bits that show that you said exactly that.

Yes, exactly. I asked why there doesn't seem to be an outcry about men being on psych wards with women.

Nowhere did I say 'women don't care about being in vulnerable spaces with men other than TW'

Exactly. Literally no one is actually confused

Stop putting words into people's mouths when you are doing precisely that! Go and be goady on another thread! You're being disingenuous. You know exactly what this thread is about and deliberately didn't write women's psych wards.

But countless people on this thread clearly are as they said that is why they see the trans issue as more important as women are aware who the men are but may think some men are women.

I'm sorry but you need to improve your comprehension. As I have said clearly I am a woman who was assaulted by multiple men, multiple times therefore I am fully aware that women care about being in a vulnerable place with men. That is literally the premise of my thread.

I don't need to improve my comprehension.

What people on this thread think that men can change sex?

Seriously?

Again that doesn't protect women because there are other mixed spaces.

A decision to admit is never made on a psych assessment unit within hours. It's days. But they do tend to be even worse than wards. Women's bedrooms on mixed corridors with shared bathrooms and no women only spaces at all.

I think this explains the situation. This policy does nothing to protect women on mixed psychiatric wards.

Thank you for sharing.

I've made no assumptions about other posters and what they think unlike you making all sorts of assumptions about me!

You certainly do if you can actually highlight my words and still misunderstand. I'm made it crystal clear now. Do you understand now?

Oh, no sorry I'm talking at cross purposes! People don't think men can change sex but they think they may not be able to tell if a 'woman' is actually a man. I found that surprising. But then again especially in a vulnerable state that may be true. I was on a ward with a TW once and there was no doubt 'she' was actually a man. But obviously that"s only one example.

I don't believe you're posting in good faith, but here's an example of why it's an issue.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/17/hospital-told-police-patient-not-raped-alleged-attacker-transgender/

I'm made it crystal clear now. Do you understand now?

Don't worry, it's crystal clear to everyone on the thread now I think.

I think you've misunderstood my point. I know why TW in female only spaces is an issue. I'm talking about men in spaces where women are vulnerable.

On a psych ward the police aren't even called.

Everyone else already understood. It's just you with the issue. Drop all the assumptions and the agenda and you might be able to understand too.

Are you a man by any chance?

Because a male HCW is easily identifiable, and you can request a female one in many instances for any personal care that needs to be done. In our setting, they will ask if you'd prefer a female HCW for certain intimate tasks (same as I ask a male if they would prefer a male to insert a catheter for them), the male HCW will ask women if they would prefer a female HCW. When you are no longer given that choice because they are female presenting, therefore are to be treated as a female care provider, you take away a persons right to feel comfortable. That's why I have a concern

Of course that's a concern, I agree.

But I'm talking about the danger to women from the men who are patients on the ward.

If anyone's interested this is a recent podcast with an excellent interview with Lynne Pinches, a professional pool player who walked away from her final competition as she was being forced to compete against a man.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Ay_I8e7SpbI?si=_JDsFsgXsS2xccOS

Thank you, I'll have a listen.

There have been multiple threads (mostly on the Feminism board) and several attempts at a Government petition to get single sex psychiatric wards.
This petition got less than 1,500 signatures;

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323999

I don't generally read the feminism board. The aggressive poster on here was going on about it and is a perfect example of why I don't read it!

But 1500 signatures is awful.

It makes no sense to have mixed wards. How is adding to women's trauma helping their mental health?

I sometimes think about reporting what happened to me. But then think there's no point.

don't have an assumption that women don't care about being in vulnerable spaces with men other than MTF so no need to look anywhere to see if that is true.

AIBU to wonder why there only seems to be outrage about TW in spaces where women are vulnerable and not men in general?

I don't know OP. You don't have that assumption, after all.

Oh sorry, you said "only seems outrage" apologies for improving the grammar.