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Don’t understand why Hens are such a big thing?

223 replies

Endersduffduff · 07/05/2024 07:25

Just reading yet another Hen drama on here.

I just don’t understand why Hen parties are now such a big deal! AIBU?

I’ve a friend who is my age but whose Husband is ten years her junior. Subsequently, her Husband’s friends (he has a group he is still mates with from school, who now all live miles and miles apart but by the sounds of it, see each other 5/6 times a year) are all starting to settle down. My friend has been invited on 3 big Hen parties (1 abroad for 5 days and 2 x 3 nights away in this country) since 2022. My friend is equally perplexed as to why she gets invited to these things. She did go to the first as her sister is mates with the bride and was there also. But she said it costs her about £400 for transport, accommodation, fancy dress and activities including one meal and booze for the house (my friend doesn’t drink).

Admittedly, I’ve been married 16 years. So maybe I’m old fashioned. But I can’t see in what scenario I’d expect friends and family to fork out hundreds of pounds to help “see me off”.

I mean, if I had a group of friends who holidayed/partied together ordinarily, I can see why that might well be great. But to then add partners
of the best man/others from the groom’s side, family and other friends, why should I think that would work and why on earth should these people all go to great expense for me?

For my hen, I had a night out that started as a couple of drinks at my parent’s house, a train into the town where we met others who didn’t want to/seemed silly travel to my parent’s in advance, a meal at a buffet type place and then onto a couple of pubs and club for those who wanted to. I really did have the best time. Everyone paid for themselves. Although I did get few bottles of wine put on the table and my mum bought these pin badges that said “Duffduff’s hen” with the date. Oh, and everyone wore black except me - I was told to wear a white top. My b/f and sister arranged it all but when I say arranged it, they literally booked the table in the restaurant once I knew who could attend and planned which pubs to go to (they obviously also got in touch with everyone to say wear black and told me to wear a white top but this is something they instigated and I didn’t know about until a week before).

I realise my hen may seem like hell on earth for others if they don’t like meals out/clubs, but my point is it doesn’t always have to involve nightmare logistics, a presents for the bride, nights away and warring bridal parties which surely then can have a knock on effect/added stress for the actual wedding!

Why do so many Hen parties seem so big now? Do the brides really need to feel celebrated to this extent/friends and family feel the need to show their love for the bride by throwing money around? Or have norms moved on so much in this last decade and a half and I’ve lost touch? ( I should add, my friend who I mentioned up thread, got married in 2019, and had an afternoon tea in a hall surrounded by about 20 guests and then went drinking with her sister and the few that wanted to in the evening.)

I realise upon writing this I may sound grumpy and old but I’m a few years off 40 and love a good night out!

OP posts:
Peonies12 · 07/05/2024 13:03

You do sound grumpy and boring. I loved mine and always love attending them. In the boredom of life it’s nice to do something fun and frivolous.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 07/05/2024 13:07

Peonies12 · 07/05/2024 13:03

You do sound grumpy and boring. I loved mine and always love attending them. In the boredom of life it’s nice to do something fun and frivolous.

Maybe other people's lives aren't as boring as yours?

Gogogowall · 07/05/2024 13:16

DanielGault · 07/05/2024 11:25

Foreign trips might.not be what you personally would class as extravagant, but guess what, that's just you personally. I assume you don't have a detailed knowledge of all your friends finances. I was a few pints person in 2019. It still would have cost people though, they weren't all based in my city. I had some people stay in my house with me to keep their costs down.

Guess what? I said the same thing. Which is why I said some people … and didn’t say no one.

I have a pretty detailed knowledge of most of my close friends finances yes as we are a open group and share things. I know which ones can afford it, can’t afford it and those who are in between.

Userjal · 07/05/2024 13:17

PrincessHoneysuckle · 07/05/2024 07:59

I think is so they can impress on Instagram

Or imagine this, because it’s fun to get away with friends and celebrate something nice happening! I personally am a any reason for a celebration kind of person, haven’t been on a hen do in a couple of years but would honestly jump at the chance, I have children and am by no means well off but it’s fun and enjoyable to spend a weekend away with friends

Gogogowall · 07/05/2024 13:20

Sugarplumsandpears · 07/05/2024 12:24

Wow. You are extremely judgemental on this thread, and if your attitude is the same in RL as it is on this thread, you don't strike me as the kind of person most people would want to be at a hen do with.

Yes throwing shade at people who can’t answer the door/phone or who pops little kids balls. Height of judgmental. Is this because you don’t answer your door to strangers and now feel judged?

Gogogowall · 07/05/2024 13:22

DanielGault · 07/05/2024 13:00

The 'cost' element seems to be evading you.

Did it evade the OP as well then as that’s clearly a very obvious reason why people wouldn’t go… like I said it’s not difficult to think of reasons why people would like & dislike to go as Iv already said.

DanielGault · 07/05/2024 13:26

Gogogowall · 07/05/2024 13:22

Did it evade the OP as well then as that’s clearly a very obvious reason why people wouldn’t go… like I said it’s not difficult to think of reasons why people would like & dislike to go as Iv already said.

Edited

So why are you arguing then? The cost is too much for people in some cases. We both agree.

DrJoanAllenby · 07/05/2024 13:28

RampantIvy · 07/05/2024 07:29

I agree with you.
If more invitees declined these invitations they would die a death.

Being ancient, the only hen dos I have been on have always just been a meal out and a few drinks in one evening.

I agree.

I honk it's awful to get people to pay to celebrate anything more than a meal out.

momtoboys · 07/05/2024 13:29

Left · 07/05/2024 07:39

Was getting ready to be defensive as I thought this would be about chickens 🤣🤣

Wouldn't that have been refreshing? :) I agree about the hen dos being over the top though!

AliceMcK · 07/05/2024 13:35

IsoldeWagner · 07/05/2024 07:49

That's fine, but I didn't know anyone who did that then, perhaps we were lower earners.

Hen dos I went to in the 90s were usually a pub crawl around town like most weekends except the Hen would be dressed up with a veil and lots of willies. If not town then Blackpool, but again we lived close enough to do nights out in Blackpool regularly.

The first time I was asked to go away any where different was 98 a weekend in Edinburgh, it was fucking awful, no one thought about accommodation until week of and no one could afford anything so we dosed down in a friend of a friends hall renovated house with no running water. Also none of us had been to Edinburgh before and had no idea where we were going. We ended up in some dodgy pubs and club. As Northerners we thought we were pretty tough when it came to the cold, but Edinburgh was a different league.

Thankfully most of my friends were realistic about hen dos in later years and standard nights out with a bit of a twist were the norm. Except one bride, the most boring hen do ever, she didn’t drink so decided it was an alcohol free meal and tea after. I was almost falling asleep it was so boring. I liked the bride but I was closer to the groom. What made matters worse was the stag do drove past us twice on a mini bus, they had been out all day fishing & drinking (sea side town) then off clubbing. My Ex H and a number of other partners and husbands were on the stag while a us women were painfully bored out of our heads. It was all wrapped up by 10pm after starting at 6.30pm. I was extremely pissed off with my very hungover ExH the next day, the groom and most of the stags were my friends not his and he had a far better time than me 😝

BeeDavis · 07/05/2024 13:44

Because funnily enough some people LIKE them?! I love going on hen weekends, yeah it may cost a bit more than a night out but so what. If you don’t want to go on one, then don’t. But don’t judge people that do! Your hen sounds like an average night out, nothing special. And if you’re ok with that, then fine 🫠

Bluemonkey2029 · 07/05/2024 13:46

Love a hen party - I've been on plenty of weekend hen parties away recently. As far as I know none were published on social media and if they were no one was really focused on that. I enjoy doing fun things with my friends and meeting their friends too. My own hen party is coming up soon - I can't wait! We asked for budget in advance and I paid for the airbnb so it's a cheap weekend away for my friends who only have to pay for activities (optional) and food. For me it didn't feel right to ask my friends to pay because I know I earn more than some (but not all) of them. But the ones I've been on I've paid towards and that's fine too - if I didn't want to/couldn't afford to go then I just wouldn't have done.

Myteenhatesme · 07/05/2024 13:50

I've only been on one and didn't have one myself- just didn't fancy it!

Pyri · 07/05/2024 13:52

I find some of these arguments really bemusing to be honest. All the “in my day we went and got hammered in a club and had a kebab after”. I don’t understand how it’s deemed better somehow to be celebrating just getting pissed over doing something nice like going to the countryside for a weekend?

most of the hen parties I’ve been on recently aren’t posted on social media. I don’t really know anyone who uses SM much anymore at all?

all the hen parties I’ve been to are basically a nice weekend away with your mates. No pressure, no hidden costs, everyone has really enjoyed it.

certainly no better than “yesteryear” which is what so many misty eyed MNers seem to think is better than anything done these days

alloverthewaves · 07/05/2024 13:54

It's got out of hand I think, but I also feel if you're invited to one you're within your rights to turn it down if you can't afford it/don't fancy it without the bride hating you 😂

I don't get invited to any now but my dd has been to about five in the last year. It's cost her a fortune because they've all been at least two nights eway with meals/activities/cocktails, and one was a week away long haul! She's then got the expense of all the weddings, some of which are also abroad.

Most of her holiday allowance from work is spent going to places she hasn't chosen to visit, spending money she could be using on travel to places she's actually interested in.

SwingTheMonkey · 07/05/2024 13:58

There’s been a few of these types of thread recently… the ‘I don’t understand why people do xy or z’

Why do you need to understand it? People are different, have different interests, tastes, budgets etc. What suited you, won’t suit the next person. I didn’t have a hen do at all, nor have I ever fancy an all girls holiday. But, I’m able to understand that some people are into that kind of thing. Those who aren’t, can do what they enjoy for their own hen do and are free to decline an invite to all or some of any they’re invited to.

Conniebygaslight · 07/05/2024 13:58

Everything is the same nowadays. Like people having birthday months or birthday years....

DanielGault · 07/05/2024 13:59

Pyri · 07/05/2024 13:52

I find some of these arguments really bemusing to be honest. All the “in my day we went and got hammered in a club and had a kebab after”. I don’t understand how it’s deemed better somehow to be celebrating just getting pissed over doing something nice like going to the countryside for a weekend?

most of the hen parties I’ve been on recently aren’t posted on social media. I don’t really know anyone who uses SM much anymore at all?

all the hen parties I’ve been to are basically a nice weekend away with your mates. No pressure, no hidden costs, everyone has really enjoyed it.

certainly no better than “yesteryear” which is what so many misty eyed MNers seem to think is better than anything done these days

It's because it's cheaper. So more inclusive. And god knows attending the wedding can be expensive enough. It's the expectation that everyone can afford xyz when sometimes they can't. Granted, not everyone will get the hump if someone misses the hen, but there are plenty who will.

RampantIvy · 07/05/2024 14:00

I think you have summed up very well what the OP was trying to say @alloverthewaves with your daughter's experiences.

GoosieLucie · 07/05/2024 14:01

IsoldeWagner · 07/05/2024 07:45

Because people nowadays have much more of a disposable income.
When me and my friends got married, it was a meal out or going to a wine bar. No-one had the money for an extra holiday.
People now can afford holidays, events and spas etc
Plus: social media, of course.

Yes, I think that's also because people get married so much later than they used to. In the 1970s and 80s, most people getting married were well under 30. I was 20 when I got married and my friends were late teens and early twenties. We were all married before the age of 25. None of us had any money to spend on parties or trips, we would have had to rely on our parents for that. Our parents organised and paid for most of our weddings too. That's the way it was back then. The parents sent the invitations, not the couple.

At that younger age (some of us had only just left school), we had no savings and low incomes - and holidays abroad were a luxury very few adults could afford, let alone teenagers fresh out of school!

Nowadays, people are over 30, established in their jobs, probably have a decent income, savings and are independent of their parents. In addition, going abroad is massively cheaper.

Deadringer · 07/05/2024 14:01

I think hen dos have got out of hand and stag dos are even worse.

Littlebitpsycho · 07/05/2024 14:04

Agreed. Luckily almost all of my friends are past this stage but there genuinely isn't a single one of my friends (married or not) that I'd agree to go to a hen party for.

If I'm ever stupid enough to get married again (which I won't be) I'd sooner jump out of a plane (I'm terrified of both flying and heights) than have a hen do 🤷‍♀️

DanielGault · 07/05/2024 14:07

GoosieLucie · 07/05/2024 14:01

Yes, I think that's also because people get married so much later than they used to. In the 1970s and 80s, most people getting married were well under 30. I was 20 when I got married and my friends were late teens and early twenties. We were all married before the age of 25. None of us had any money to spend on parties or trips, we would have had to rely on our parents for that. Our parents organised and paid for most of our weddings too. That's the way it was back then. The parents sent the invitations, not the couple.

At that younger age (some of us had only just left school), we had no savings and low incomes - and holidays abroad were a luxury very few adults could afford, let alone teenagers fresh out of school!

Nowadays, people are over 30, established in their jobs, probably have a decent income, savings and are independent of their parents. In addition, going abroad is massively cheaper.

That 'decent income ' is very quickly eaten up by childcare costs and rent/ mortgage. CoL is massive now too.I've heard of people in 'the old days' moving into houses with no furniture and saving for a year to get it. So fripperies like a foreign hen party wouldn't be on the radar at all.

DeeCeeCherry · 07/05/2024 14:13

I hear of outlandish Hen Do's on MN complete with wild stories that mostly sound exaggerated eg hen do costing £1000s; but in real life - never have I cone across this. Its traditional to scorn every aspect of a wedding from Hen through to service and reception on MN isnt it? Bride to be's and weddings dont seem to be liked much at all. Virtue signalling/humble bragging 'I just went for a beer with 3 mates' style is just cringe. All of this is just another way for women to scorn women, whether big or small hen do it's fine if it can be managed. & if it can't, presumably it'll be sorted according to all involved.

shearwater2 · 07/05/2024 14:13

My friends and I all got married in the 2000s and had dos ranging from cocktails into dinner into a night out to a weekend away with a few activities. None of it was stupidly expensive for anyone or stressful or melodramatic, and I was pregnant at three or four of them, but we all made a bit more effort than having just a few drinks down the pub and had a laugh. And some of my friends have had two as they have been married twice.

DH had two stag dos! One a short break with close mates and one a night out with a larger group. And that was 20 years ago.