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DD has left GC's with me and I'm struggling

215 replies

BeetleBee99 · 22/04/2024 01:53

To keep this short (obviously there's a backstory but it's long and complicated)

My DD has met a new partner. He is aggressive, very controlling and prone to violent outbursts (I have witnessed these). Unfortunately she's obsessed with him and isn't prepared to listen to any of my concerns. She wanted to move in with him asap before this happened.

She has two DD's with her now ex-husband. My eldest DGD (aged 11) has ASD and learning difficulties. She needs a routine and a lot of support at both home and school. She doesn't cope well with any sort of change. The younger one is aged 8.

5 weeks ago DD text me and asked me to pick the kids up from school. I did so and then she asked me to keep them overnight. Overnight then turned into a weekend.

When I asked her what was going on, she told me that herself and her NP were in X town (over 200 miles away) having a little holiday... 🙄 alright for some. It's now been almost 6 weeks and she still won't give me a straight answer on when they are coming back. I've tried arguing with her, reasoning and threatening her but nothing is working. She won't listen to me. I think he's planning for them to stay up there and she's naïve enough to go along with it

I love my DGD's to absolute pieces, but I can't cope with them full time. I have health problems myself and I'm not upto running round after them anymore. The Easter holidays have left me completely exhausted. I have no other family nearby to help (my ds is in New Zealand).

The girls father has offered to take them one weekend a month (he works full time and lives at the other end of the country - they will have to fly upto him) but even with this I don't feel I can manage much longer. Short of driving up and abandoning them with my DD (which I would never do because I don't think they would be safe) what do I do and is their
anyway I can get some help?!

OP posts:
Step5678 · 22/04/2024 06:55

I'm sorry OP, what an awful situation for you and the children.

What sort of a parent is your daughter normally? Is this out of character for her? Have you actually spoken to her or is communication via messages? I'd be worried she's actually in danger or come to harm unless this is normal behaviour for her

bubblesforbreakfast · 22/04/2024 06:56

Call social services or speak with the school - for everyone's sake. It sounds like you e been left in a dreadful situation x

Wildhorses2244 · 22/04/2024 06:56

If you feel worried about calling social services then speak to school instead tomorrow.

Ask for an urgent meeting with the head or deputy head and explain what is going on and that you’re struggling to cope.

As part of that meeting ask for some urgent short term help. The school may have a breakfast or after school club which you can use or a holiday childcare scheme which they can book the kids into for Easter. If you don’t have the money to pay for this ask school if they can do it for free.

If you are going to support the children you need to organise so that you’ve got them less of the time so that you save your strength for when they’re with you.

Codlingmoths · 22/04/2024 06:56

Those poor children. If you think the dad is a capable normal person (which your dd is clearly not) then give him a heads up that you are speaking to the school and social services on Monday as your daughter has abandoned her children. I cannot understand how someone could do this, but they and you need help and support.
for your dd I would take it back to factual brief updates. ‘I have notified the school and social services today that you have abandoned the children. Their dad is aware too. I have no choice as I’m not their legal guardian and my health is not up to looking after them like I have been.’

Ellie525 · 22/04/2024 06:58

Pls ring social services and inform school- if your DD turns up now and takes the kids there needs to be a record of her abandoning them and the new abusive partner so someone follows up... so sorry this sounds awful for you and DGC 😕

theduchessofspork · 22/04/2024 06:58

Oh OP - what a situation.

At this point you need to notify the school and call social services.

They can also do a welfare check on your daughter.

The children are the priority, but clearly something is also amiss with her.

FlamingoQueen · 22/04/2024 06:58

I would go and speak to their school this morning as a matter of urgency. They need to know (just in case their Mum does come back and pretends they have a medical appt and removes them from school). Their safeguarding lead will be able to advise and support you. I’m sure the school will have picked up on bits and pieces already.
You are totally awesome for looking after them, but now is the time to get help.

Cakeandcoffeea · 22/04/2024 06:59

Please call the police. Your daughter could well be in danger. They could get a welfare check in place and also give you the support you need via social services. This is a horrible situation for you all x

furryblanky · 22/04/2024 07:00

It doesn't sound like they should be in her care at all. As a mum of 2 girls, I have no idea how she could do this to them, and to you.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 22/04/2024 07:01

I'm afraid the short answer is that if you can't cope with them, and the dad won't have them, they will end up in care. Social services are so under resourced now that they can't/won't help until it gets to the point of taking them away. The school will probably be more helpful. If the children weren't eligible for pupil premium funding before (an extra pot of money for disadvantaged kids) they certainly should be now. School might be able to offer some after school clubs for free. There are also often free holiday clubs available for some families. The school already knows and cares about the the children. With social services falling apart, they are your best bet.

Edited to add, the school will contact social services anyway once you've talked to them and will be able to support you dealing with them.

LakieLady · 22/04/2024 07:02

Those poor children.

I'd contact the police where you believe your daughter is staying to make sure that she's ok and not being kept against her will. I'd also contact the children's school and social services and let both know that the children have been abandoned by their mother. Social services may be able to put some support in place for you.

isthesolution · 22/04/2024 07:04

What an awful situation 😔

Id explain to both parents that you will be speaking to school and social services on Friday unless something is arranged.

And I'd follow through with that.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 22/04/2024 07:05

Yes this is a social services matter. Everything needs putting on the table; her abusive relationship, your inability to care for them full time, the children’s parents attitude to their care. Either the mother is going to have to come back and be under some supervision with SS or the father is going to have to step up.

very sad for you all.

K0OLA1D · 22/04/2024 07:07

I won't just echo what pps have said. But I hope you're OK. What a terrible situation

gettingbackonit23 · 22/04/2024 07:10

She’s unable to care for them, whether or not she comes back from her trip. She is putting the needs of her violent boyfriend above theirs. They either need to live with their father full time or be in foster care. That doesn’t mean they won’t see their mum but they will at least get their needs met. You need to report it to social services now and tell them the entire story, including the violence. Your daughter’s selfishness is sickening.

itsgettingweird · 22/04/2024 07:11

Absolutely you need to contact social services.

Especially because it's very likely she's still claiming CB and UC for these children whilst you financially care for them.

Therefore the authorities don't realise they are with you. What happens if they need hospital care? Right now they don't have a parent around to consent to any medical treatment.

Scarletttulips · 22/04/2024 07:11

Have you spoken to her or is this just a text? Have you been back to their house? Does the father have support where he lives, the other grandparents?

You do need to call the police and social services and the school.

You aren’t doing anyone any FA ours carrying on alone. The girls must miss their mum and that will affect their behaviour.

Crapuscular · 22/04/2024 07:12

You've had some great advice on here and I hope that you can get a good outcome for the girls.
I strongly suspect that they will also need counselling to help them process what's happening to them.

All the very best to you all.

Strictlymad · 22/04/2024 07:13

You are a fab grandma so well done. Sadly your daughter is putting this unsuitable bloke above her children and you must alert the school and social services. Discuss with the dad too if he can have them full time before foster care is arranged.

Morph22010 · 22/04/2024 07:14

femfemlicious · 22/04/2024 05:57

So sorry you are going through this. I think you should get social services involved ASAP. Even if she comes back. The fact that she would do this means the children are at risk with her!. I'm surprised your grand daughter doesn't have a social worker since she has autism, she really needs one. They will provide you with support. You should tell the school tomorrow and call the disabilities team at social services. You don't have to struggle alone 💔

The bar for having a disability social worker is very high in most local authorities. In ours you definitely wouldn’t get a disability social worker just for having autism.

Strictlymad · 22/04/2024 07:15

itsgettingweird · 22/04/2024 07:11

Absolutely you need to contact social services.

Especially because it's very likely she's still claiming CB and UC for these children whilst you financially care for them.

Therefore the authorities don't realise they are with you. What happens if they need hospital care? Right now they don't have a parent around to consent to any medical treatment.

This! Legally and financially things need to be clear for who is responsible medically and that if you continue to care you have the financial resources to do so.

Frogpole · 22/04/2024 07:19

@BeetleBee99 I am truly sorry you've had that situation forced on you you. It sounds like the frying pan has caught fire and the devil is about to sling it in the deep blue sea then jump in after it!

The only advice I can give you is neither cute 'n' fluffy nor particularly plateable, so I'll just get right on and say it:

You need to call social services TODAY. This morning. Actually NOW. I know it feels like the hardest thing in the world, but you know what's even harder? Staying in limbo for the next three years then trying to deal with it - especially when the phone call to child services goes "Oh no, how terrible! And it's been like this for... 3 YEARS? Ok hun, well if you've made it this far I'll check back in two decades to see if anything's changed. Don't worry though, I'm posting you a gold star for effort and a copy of our pamphlet "10 reasons why it pays to be a winner but sucks to be you :D!"

It's cruel to be kind time, only thing that matters is what's long term best for those kids, not how you or anyone else "feels".

You're not in a position to full time raise those kids.
Their mum's going through whatever, and for the foreseeable future needs to be kept separate from them for everyone's safety.
Their dad doesn't sound like he's able to give them full time care.

Child services can and will move heaven and earth to provide the right support for those kids, you'd be amazed by what they can make happen and the budget they have to facilitate it.

And even if they go for the measure of absolute last resort, even if they go with the nuclear option of giving the little ones an alternative place to live whilst everyone works on a long term solution - how bad is that, really?

You'll get phone calls, visits, access and such just the same as you would if they lived with one or both parents

Dad will likely get some sort of arrangement same as if the little ones lived with their mum.

They can offer mum all kinds of support and assistance to help her with her current situation, not just "well get rid of the bloke then we'll talk", I mean long term psychological support to try to find the root causes of this harmful behaviour and deal with those, then start to think about involving her with the little ones again in time.

Most of all though, the kiddies with be with people who are really really well equipped, set up, prepared, able, have all the time, energy and desire in the world to give the kiddies a temporary home that's happy, safe and nurturing.

You've got to do what's right for the kids really.

Scarletttulips · 22/04/2024 07:21

I'm posting you a gold star for effort and a copy of our pamphlet "10 reasons why it pays to be a winner but sucks to be you :D

Absolutely love that!

Tillievanilly · 22/04/2024 07:22

I think you need to involve social services. They have family support workers that can provide support. You will need guardianship if they live with you full time. I would be concerned for your daughter and if she decides she wants the children to live with a violent man. Their dad ideally needs to step up. Really they should live there. But difficult if he doesn’t have support and work. 2 weekends a month would be better. Plus he needs to come and get them! Social services will help with all of this. How confusing for the children and so tough for you.

Cattyisbatty · 22/04/2024 07:23

That is really not on of your dd. She has put her love life first and abandoned her kids, one who is vulnerable as well. Def speak to the school and SS and see what they suggest/can put in place.