Can school do this? - managed move

[Bonnyswannie]

My dd is struggling at her very strict academy school. Whilst it works for some it does not for my dd and she has gone from well behaved to being pulled up for things like uniform and forgotten items to now what they call disrespectful behaviour
my dd worries about school a lot at home and we applied to a new school that is less strict about u forms and bags and I felt may be a better match.
my dd has a lot of negative behaviours points and a 1 day suspension since year 8 - nothing before that.
the new school has accepted and it’s all going through yet today my dd’s current school said they would speak to new school as due to her negative behaviours she would need a managed move. I called them this morning for help as dd was up worrying last night and not wanting to come and now we are being told this.
i asked for this in writing and they have said the new school could request due to the amount of negative behaviours. Can they do this?
my dd is undergoing assessment for ADHD she’s not aggressive or nasty or anything she does forget stuff and she can back chat . Some lessons she excels in and there are 3 subjects she is rarely in as Sw gets sent out for back chat about things that are missing. Not ideal but dd says they talk to her like crap and it makes her feel shit

What year is she in?
Is she / you minimising her behaviour?
a suspension is pretty last resort or for something serious

back chat is the bane of teachers lives - disrupts an entire class

If you already have a place at the new school why can’t you just accept that and withdraw her from the old school?

My understanding of a managed move is that she’ll still be registered with the old school?

She possibly has ADHD and these strict schools are shit are making reasonable adjustments. They think that impulsivity can be controlled! Look up the managed mo e policy on your LAs website. It should be an in-year admission. The basis of a managed move is that if the new place is not successful, they will have to go back to the original school.

this link will be helpful https://childlawadvice.org.uk/information-pages/managed-moves/

Yes, if an ongoing school has serious concerns about a child's behaviour, they can ask that the transfer is done under the managed move arrangements. So , if it doesn't work out, the child goes back to the outgoing school.

My ds is similar op. Very. He attends a mainstream college for 14-16 year olds... Look at alternative education places ime.

No school works on a managed move unless there are huge problems. There is DEFINITELY more to this story.
Even if a child or adult had ADHD, or any other diversity there are still basic skills that parents need to teach them so they can manage school.
Why are you allowing her not to be in uniform? Why are you allowing her to forget items she needs?
Parents need to start stepping up and take responsibility for supporting their children.

What?? She has full uniform thanks. She rolls up her skirt sometimes

I work in secondary schools and with regard to ADHD, there is a lot of work for schools to do to actually understand needs! Problems with executive function, following instructions etc do mean that people will forget things. Adults with ADHD will also. There are many methods that school can do support this and they can be brought into the home also. Many children with adhd will also have parents with adhd and similar needs.

I digress… I see a lot of unnecessary and disproportionate sanctions for low level behaviour that increasing strict, SLANT schools impose. We are failing so many kids.

She rolls up her skirt sometimes

So tell her not too - give her a bollocking and consequences at home if she continues

I hate the trend where school girls rolls their skirts up so it barely covers their underwear

Oh wow why didn’t I think to tell her not to!?? Cheers

You hit the nail on the head on both factors!
mornings are a nightmare. Sometimes we get to the school and dd has forgotten her shoes/bag etc she really does try! I try to but we remember one area and forget another

Yeah youre definitely minimising the behaviours. Managed move for rolling a shirt up! 😂

How does she forget shoes? Especially if you are driving her to school? How do you not notice she is in her socks?

The managed moves process and Fair Access Protocol changed a couple of years ago. Schools can no longer refuse to accept a child on the grounds of behaviour unless it is 'significant' (but there's no DfE definition of significant!
For managed moves, they used to be dual registered for a period of time. That has now changed. The child goes on the roll of the new school from day 1 and there is no right for the reviving school to send them back to the previous school.
If she's got a place, unless her behaviour is more significant than your post implies, she will go to the new school.
However, communication between the 2 schools is the key to success. If there are some things that the new school can do differently to the old school, additional ways they can support your DDs transition, that's important and is the most likely way to supporting her to successfully integrate. Don't try to hide it from them would be my advice.

Barely goes to any lessons, according to another thread

Firstly I never said it was due to her skirt being rolled up someone said but her uniform and I responded saying she has it the uniform issues she got detentions for were the skirt being rolled up above the knee.
I can’t believe how judgemental and horrible some people can be in their responses to someone asking for help.

thankfully there are some people who understand how these things can affect children and he’s my dd was not going to some lessons because she was worried about getting into trouble.

the receiving school have confirmed this will not be a managed move and can’t understand why the school even said this.
thank you to everyone with helpful replies and thank you to everyone who reserved judgement. I’m not going to respond or justify myself to those picking holes and being judgey

Thank you
yes I spoke to the school about some of the issues from the off, they have given ways they can support and help, I was just in shock at her current school saying yesterday this would now be a managed move as they never ever said anything like this before.
their seems to be a big difference in the way both schools view dd’s behaviour and given that she has never had behavioural issues prior to year 8

I’m glad you think this situation. Is funny. Can assure you it’s really not seeing your dd in tears every single day and not being able to sleep or having melt downs before attending school. I hope you never have to experience it you would certainly not be putting laughing faces if you were

Sounds like the school are butt hurt that they can’t control her anymore

I would tell them that any attempt to start her off on the wrong foot at her new school will result in a complaint by you.

Ignore the nasty posts OP, there are teachers on MN who think schools and teachers can do no wrong.

With all respect, she hasn't been suspended and effectively asked to leave for uniform breaches and forgetting things.

Hopefully her new school will be better for her, but you need to listen to whatever the people spending all day with your daughter are telling you about her. And work with them.

Good luck.

Dd has said they have made comments about a lot of people leaving. Her class has dwindled to about 20. But across the year I think about 40/50 have left. They asked her to stay yesterday.
yes I was waiting to see what they did and would have done that.

her mental health has suffered so much this past year she used to love school so much but she’s lost all faith this year. By no means is she an angel but she’s not who they say she is and the detentions have escalated from
Being about uniform issues (to be clear she has full
uniform, equipment (again she has everything but loses it) and now to being told she backchats. She says that she tries to ask them not to give a c3 for these things or may respond in a sulky manner or backchat. I’m not lying when I say this has broken her down.

Thank you!
being accused of all sorts like not buying her uniform or equipment on here! And told im
minimisinb

She had a detention for a uniform issue and left the detention early (which yes was wrong and she knows that and we followed that up at home)). Leaving a detention early is a automatic suspension
that is the only suspension she has had

Definitely some posters on here who have no experience of ADHD or possibly teens in general. OP it sounds like the new school is more on board and it will be a good fresh start for your DD. When does she move? I would pro-activily contact the HoY and SENCO to work out strategies available from day 1. A few things that help my ds and similar kids in the school I work in are:

A spare pencil case constantly topped up by me with necessary equipment

A timetable printed on the fridge with reminders for unusual stuff like cooking equipment or lab coat or shin pads

Teachers asked to not apply "usual" sanctions for missing rulers or whatever and just loan one. ..honestly, I massively eye roll at colleagues who hand out sanctions for this crap..just loan one and let everyone get on with learning. For SEN kids, a daily diet of low level telling off is utterly demoralising.

Re uniform infringement..95% of the girls do this. They get told every morning, as teachers walk past them, in each class, at lunch. They unroll, then do it again. Ditto make up and jewellery. It's teens. There's a balance to be struck and battles to pick. If I've got a semi- school avoider, SEN child in my class engaging and learning I'm not going to upset that by whacking her in detention for a bit of thigh on show. BUT I would talk to her quietly about it if it was so high I could literally see her side arse when she sits down.

Good luck op.