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How to move on... from newly estranged step-daughter drama

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 13:17

DH and I have his daughter, my SD, up every weekend and half the holidays, with my son (from a previous relationship) who lives with us. This has been scheduled and occurring for 11 years fairly well. In the last 2 years SD has been a bit grumpy and miserable, which I put down to the beginning of teenagedom (she's now 14), then three months ago she told her Birth Mum she didn't want to come up to ours 'ever again'.

My DH and his ex/her Mum, argued over email - particularly when BM said 'the problem is your wife'. I have never had any issues with my SD apart from noticing how she is recently always moody celebrating anything but her own birthday and doesn't get enough attention from her Dad which I have encouraged him for years to do - plus the fact she doesn't like it that we have a few basic rules in our house, because that differs from BM's house with SD. I understand it's a schlep to ours too (we live 2 hours away) and she probably wants to hang with her friends more where she lives, esp now she's older.

BM has always made life difficult for us as she acts like the world owes her a favour. I was a single mum for 5 years so originally she had my support and I would rally around doing what I could to look after SD when she was 3 and upward but she (BM) was never happy.

My DH has never really made much of an effort with his daughter either, and blissfully dreams we are living a 'blended family' life. I have for years suggested he go down to where SD lives and look after her/hang out with her down there 121 away from us to give his Daughter 'quality father time' - and while I have been doing most of the parenting when she's up, I guess have become the 'bad guy' and don't like being so when it's not fair on SD or on me.

So I don't really care about his ex blaming me for being 'the problem' as I think both BM and DH have neglected SD who has often complained that her mum leaves her upstairs for hours (since she was 10) alone with her ipad while BM watches TV downstairs without her.

I can easily see how our slightly more attentive/more inclusive household is something that would p**s off a SD who isn't used to much attention or rules, and by rules I mean, coming out for a dog walk once a weekend, keeping her room tidy by making her bed and putting her dirty clothes in her wash bin and hanging up her wet towels after a shower - all stuff that my son and my SD have been asked to do since they were 8 and 9 respectively, so for the last 5-6 years.

We/I have spent years and years creating a warm, fun, safe family environment with lots of trips and holidays, cinema, theatre, galleries, swimming lessons, water parks, country hotels with activities, holiday clubs, family time, cooking, drama classes, cycling lessons when young, trips to see extended family, summers abroad, take aways, meals out, sleepovers with friends, parties, clothes, hair & nails treats and beauty time, bedrooms redecorated every 2 years, boardgames, books, bedtime stories and games (when younger), alone time, film nights, sports, dancing classes, gymnastics, flip out, go karting, soft play, Father Christmas visits, zoos, parks, seaside trips in UK, and let them have a decent amount of private screen time alone/with their friends (like more than 5 hours a weekend day).

DH and SD's BM are still arguing, but now BM has gone to a lawyer and said she's 'being instructed by her daughter for her mental health' and that she doesn't want to come up and now doesn't ever want to see DH again. He has gone to mediation and a lawyer himself. The BM says now SD is 14 she can do what she likes and ‘for the sake of her mental health’ DH must not contact her to talk to her to try to change her mind, let alone him come down or SD come up again. I am not sure there’s a court or law in the land that would tell a child she must not communicate with her dad where for 11 years it has been a close relationship - unless something awful has occurred, like abuse or something, which isn’t the case here.

DH and BM have joint mediation arranged and I have said to DH that he might have to accept that all he can offer/expect is to have occasional/less frequent time with his Daughter now she’s older - and that he should take the time to spend time down there where she lives, rather than up here, and spend it alone with her 1-2-1 - especially as now the BM is all fired up and seemingly not encouraging SD to visit us/attempting to alienate him by telling daughter not to speak or text or FaceTime him. I also said she'd probably come around (mentally speaking) in a while, give her some time and minimise all contact with the BM.

I am happy to stay out of it right now as I haven’t enjoyed being a step mum at all, and feel under supported for years by my DH, and I am TIRED.

I guess I’m just wondering is it too soon to clear out SD’s bedroom, and turn it into a gym then f* off on holiday without them all?

OP posts:
Sunnydays0101 · 21/03/2024 13:27

You certainly are being unreasonable calling your SD’s mum her birth mum - she’s her mum, plain and simple.

Beezknees · 21/03/2024 13:33

I'm not surprised her mum was never happy, since by your own admission your DH doesn't make any effort with his own daughter. I'd be incredibly pissed off too.

And don't necessarily think stepdaughter will "come around" I have been NC with my dad since I was 12 for his shitty behaviour.

Sera1989 · 21/03/2024 13:37

I think there must be more to this. It's a hell of a leap to go from being a bit grumpy to going NC with your father for mental health reasons. Has anyone asked SD exactly what the problem is/what happened on her last trip? From the sounds of it you think it's just because you have a few rules and expectations, but that is not a reason to go NC. By your own admission you haven't enjoyed being a step mum and can't wait until you can clear out SD's room. How has this presented itself in your parenting and exactly how hands-off has your DH been?

ineedsun · 21/03/2024 13:40

I think if you rewrite this without referring to birth mum you will get very different responses. It never goes down well on here.

Maybe you can edit it.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 21/03/2024 13:44

I wonder if your stepdaughter has picked up on how uninvolved her dad is, @Time4GinAgain? That might well explain why she is pulling away now. I also wonder if she is blaming you, because you are the handy scapegoat, and deep down, she longs for a good relationship with her dad, so doesn't feel she can blame him.

I think your suggestion that your DH should go to where his daughter lives, and spend some one-on-one time with her is a very good one, and it is telling that he has never taken you up on that offer.

I think you have done all you can to facilitate and support the relationship between the two of them - I'm not sure what more you could or should do - maybe someone with more experience and knowledge will be able to help - but in your shoes, I think I'd be taking a step back, and leaving it up to the two parents to sort out.

Yogatoga1 · 21/03/2024 13:59

We had similar, and unfortunately it hasn’t ended well.

we had sdd every weekend until about 15- mostly her choice as the “official” agreement was EOW. Her mum was fine with this as it meant she had a great social life, could plan nights out and trips away etc. good for her. Dh was happy he saw her so much, I worked weekends so while I was around they had a lot of quality time.

to cut a long story short once we weren’t needed for “childcare” and sdd was more independent the alienation started. We are now at a point where sdd is 20 and refuses to see or speak to her dad at all. Dh sends her a text every so often to check in and let her know he’s there, sends birthday/christmas gifts etc but no response.

at 14/15 there isn’t much you can do but be there for the fall out as it is their choice to spend time with the nrp. No one can force them. Even if they are actively being alienated it’s hard as you’re effectively saying their mum is lying at best, or at worst showing their mum in a bad light.

it’s shit unfortunately.

HawkersEast · 21/03/2024 14:00

Interesting that you refer to her mum as her 'birth mum'. It's just her mum, plain and simple.

TheGrimSqueakersFlea · 21/03/2024 14:01

Maybe every weekend is a bit much for her. At 14 she'll want to spend some weekends with her friends, not visiting dad and going on a dog walk with the family. Arrangements that worked when she was younger probably won't work now

Butchyrestingface · 21/03/2024 14:03

Why "birth mum"? How many mums does she have?

BruFord · 21/03/2024 14:14

I think your suggestion that your DH should go to where his daughter lives, and spend some one-on-one time with her is a very good one, and it is telling that he has never taken you up on that offer.

I agree with this, the onus is on him to facilitate their relationship. Honestly, I wouldn’t clear out her room yet as that’s sending a message that she’s not welcome anymore, and she clearly is.

I suspect that phrase “for the sake of her mental health” is being used as it’s difficult for your DH to argue with it-he can’t exactly say that he doesn’t care about his DD’s MH, can he.

Anyway, I’d keep encouraging your DH to ask his DD whether she’d like to meet up with him where she lives. Even if she only agrees to see him once a month or every six weeks, they’ll still be keeping the connection going. He’s the adult and HE needs to make an effort to ensure that their relationship survives.

Friarclose · 21/03/2024 14:15

You won't get much support here OP, they hate stepmothers. My SD decided when she was 11 that she never wanted to see DH and I again, she'll be 16 in August and it's never changed. It's alienation from her mother and partly because she is a nasty ungrateful brat. Feel free to PM if you want advice from some who has been through this crap

ThatTimeIKnewFamousPeople · 21/03/2024 14:21

Ah poor kid. I know it's not what you asked, but did you realise your DH doesn't make any effort with his daughter before having a child with him (or have I misread and you don't have joint children).

He doesn't sound great and despite all the activities if he's not showing her much care why would she want to spend time with him? And where has the sudden energy to fight for her come from, when he previously couldn't be bothered to travel 2 hours to see her?

I'd respect her decision and think about what his parenting style is going to mean for your children

JustTalkToThem · 21/03/2024 14:23

Friarclose · 21/03/2024 14:15

You won't get much support here OP, they hate stepmothers. My SD decided when she was 11 that she never wanted to see DH and I again, she'll be 16 in August and it's never changed. It's alienation from her mother and partly because she is a nasty ungrateful brat. Feel free to PM if you want advice from some who has been through this crap

"she is a nasty ungrateful brat"

Shocking that she doesn't want to hang out with you!

LolaJ87 · 21/03/2024 14:28

Children/Teens know where they aren't wanted. A dad that makes zero effort and a stepmother who has hated her role, wants to clear out her room and hasn't said anything she'll miss about a child she's known for eleven years. That poor little girl, I feel very sad for her.

Marblessolveeverything · 21/03/2024 14:29

She is 14 she now sees her dad and his lack of effort. She can't be mandated to have contact. I am sorry but you are caught in the middle.

crumblingschools · 21/03/2024 14:30

@Friarclose I don't think there needs to be much alienation going on here, sounds as if dad hasn't ever been a great dad. Not sure he is great step dad material for OP's son.

Very few teenagers are going to be happy not being around their friends at the weekend and having to travel 2 hours away from them too.

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 21/03/2024 14:31

Sunnydays0101 · 21/03/2024 13:27

You certainly are being unreasonable calling your SD’s mum her birth mum - she’s her mum, plain and simple.

I KNEW this would be the first comment 🤣

OP. Not your monkey, not your circus. You need to keep out of it now.

MiltonNorthern · 21/03/2024 14:31

Sounds like your husband has fucked it by being a detached dad and the daughter is blaming you. Why on earth are you calling her birth mum though? That's crazy.

KalaMush · 21/03/2024 14:40

I agree with you OP. At age 14 I can imagine it's not appealing to travel 2 hours, not be able to meet up with her friends and spend it with her disengaged dad. He should go to mediation but basically he's reaping what he sowed.

wp65 · 21/03/2024 14:42

There are always posters who are excessively triggered by the phrase 'birth mum', even though we can see the OP means no harm by it in this instance, is aiming for clarity, and isn't aware of the language purity politics around this phrase on mumsnet.

Op, anyway, to address your actual question - I'm sorry this is so difficult, and it does sound like you've made a real effort with your SD. I don't think there's anything else you can do beyond encouraging her (slightly useless) father to keep the lines of communication open, and reassure her that he loves her.

Wimpeyspread · 21/03/2024 14:43

Sunnydays0101 · 21/03/2024 13:27

You certainly are being unreasonable calling your SD’s mum her birth mum - she’s her mum, plain and simple.

Very helpful

jeaux90 · 21/03/2024 14:51

She is a teenager and wants to spend time with her own friends some of the weekends. She has probably found a good excuse to enact that if your DH has made little effort.

I think the best you can hope for now is once a month and some of the holidays. I really don't get how some people expect these family situations to work when kids have to schlep hours away when they are teens.

Hankunamatata · 21/03/2024 14:52

He hasn't been enagaged and this is the result. It's not a reflection on you but you can imagine sd going back to mums and saying Time4 did x, y, z with me and the mum saying what about your dad and sd saying we'll nothing really. Doesn't take too many steps for sd to get resentful of the situation. Add in she probably doesn't want to be hanging out with any parents and be with her friends. It's the prefect storm. I would suggest he goes down one weekend a month with some planned activities to do with dd

PassingStranger · 21/03/2024 14:54

How horrible for your SD to say she dosent want to see her dad again.
How does she think that will make her dad feel?
Would she like it if her child said that about her?
I'd she changes her mind one day which I expect she will, will she expect her dad to be there.
Be careful how you treat people.

Reugny · 21/03/2024 15:02

OP you should have posted this on the step-parenting section not on AIBU, though there are often a pile-on there as well.

I suggest you leave your "D"H and his ex to it regarding their daughter.

Your "D"H clearly doesn't realise that as a father to become a dad he actually needs to parent his child and it is not up to the women he is closest to do it for him. He is now reaping what he sows in terms of his own relationship with his daughter.

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