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How to move on... from newly estranged step-daughter drama

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 13:17

DH and I have his daughter, my SD, up every weekend and half the holidays, with my son (from a previous relationship) who lives with us. This has been scheduled and occurring for 11 years fairly well. In the last 2 years SD has been a bit grumpy and miserable, which I put down to the beginning of teenagedom (she's now 14), then three months ago she told her Birth Mum she didn't want to come up to ours 'ever again'.

My DH and his ex/her Mum, argued over email - particularly when BM said 'the problem is your wife'. I have never had any issues with my SD apart from noticing how she is recently always moody celebrating anything but her own birthday and doesn't get enough attention from her Dad which I have encouraged him for years to do - plus the fact she doesn't like it that we have a few basic rules in our house, because that differs from BM's house with SD. I understand it's a schlep to ours too (we live 2 hours away) and she probably wants to hang with her friends more where she lives, esp now she's older.

BM has always made life difficult for us as she acts like the world owes her a favour. I was a single mum for 5 years so originally she had my support and I would rally around doing what I could to look after SD when she was 3 and upward but she (BM) was never happy.

My DH has never really made much of an effort with his daughter either, and blissfully dreams we are living a 'blended family' life. I have for years suggested he go down to where SD lives and look after her/hang out with her down there 121 away from us to give his Daughter 'quality father time' - and while I have been doing most of the parenting when she's up, I guess have become the 'bad guy' and don't like being so when it's not fair on SD or on me.

So I don't really care about his ex blaming me for being 'the problem' as I think both BM and DH have neglected SD who has often complained that her mum leaves her upstairs for hours (since she was 10) alone with her ipad while BM watches TV downstairs without her.

I can easily see how our slightly more attentive/more inclusive household is something that would p**s off a SD who isn't used to much attention or rules, and by rules I mean, coming out for a dog walk once a weekend, keeping her room tidy by making her bed and putting her dirty clothes in her wash bin and hanging up her wet towels after a shower - all stuff that my son and my SD have been asked to do since they were 8 and 9 respectively, so for the last 5-6 years.

We/I have spent years and years creating a warm, fun, safe family environment with lots of trips and holidays, cinema, theatre, galleries, swimming lessons, water parks, country hotels with activities, holiday clubs, family time, cooking, drama classes, cycling lessons when young, trips to see extended family, summers abroad, take aways, meals out, sleepovers with friends, parties, clothes, hair & nails treats and beauty time, bedrooms redecorated every 2 years, boardgames, books, bedtime stories and games (when younger), alone time, film nights, sports, dancing classes, gymnastics, flip out, go karting, soft play, Father Christmas visits, zoos, parks, seaside trips in UK, and let them have a decent amount of private screen time alone/with their friends (like more than 5 hours a weekend day).

DH and SD's BM are still arguing, but now BM has gone to a lawyer and said she's 'being instructed by her daughter for her mental health' and that she doesn't want to come up and now doesn't ever want to see DH again. He has gone to mediation and a lawyer himself. The BM says now SD is 14 she can do what she likes and ‘for the sake of her mental health’ DH must not contact her to talk to her to try to change her mind, let alone him come down or SD come up again. I am not sure there’s a court or law in the land that would tell a child she must not communicate with her dad where for 11 years it has been a close relationship - unless something awful has occurred, like abuse or something, which isn’t the case here.

DH and BM have joint mediation arranged and I have said to DH that he might have to accept that all he can offer/expect is to have occasional/less frequent time with his Daughter now she’s older - and that he should take the time to spend time down there where she lives, rather than up here, and spend it alone with her 1-2-1 - especially as now the BM is all fired up and seemingly not encouraging SD to visit us/attempting to alienate him by telling daughter not to speak or text or FaceTime him. I also said she'd probably come around (mentally speaking) in a while, give her some time and minimise all contact with the BM.

I am happy to stay out of it right now as I haven’t enjoyed being a step mum at all, and feel under supported for years by my DH, and I am TIRED.

I guess I’m just wondering is it too soon to clear out SD’s bedroom, and turn it into a gym then f* off on holiday without them all?

OP posts:
Reugny · 21/03/2024 15:04

PassingStranger · 21/03/2024 14:54

How horrible for your SD to say she dosent want to see her dad again.
How does she think that will make her dad feel?
Would she like it if her child said that about her?
I'd she changes her mind one day which I expect she will, will she expect her dad to be there.
Be careful how you treat people.

She is a teenager with a father who doesn't make the effort to interact properly with her so no wonder she doesn't want to see him.

I know other children, most of whom are now adults, who ended up doing the same for similar reasons from age 11. They lived anything from 30 minutes away from their fathers.

WallaceinAnderland · 21/03/2024 15:07

He's made his daughter do all the running around and put no effort in himself. You reap what you sow. She's had enough and I don't blame her. If he wants to waste his money on lawyers I guess you can't stop him. The bloke's an idiot.

girlfriend44 · 21/03/2024 15:07

Yogatoga1 · 21/03/2024 13:59

We had similar, and unfortunately it hasn’t ended well.

we had sdd every weekend until about 15- mostly her choice as the “official” agreement was EOW. Her mum was fine with this as it meant she had a great social life, could plan nights out and trips away etc. good for her. Dh was happy he saw her so much, I worked weekends so while I was around they had a lot of quality time.

to cut a long story short once we weren’t needed for “childcare” and sdd was more independent the alienation started. We are now at a point where sdd is 20 and refuses to see or speak to her dad at all. Dh sends her a text every so often to check in and let her know he’s there, sends birthday/christmas gifts etc but no response.

at 14/15 there isn’t much you can do but be there for the fall out as it is their choice to spend time with the nrp. No one can force them. Even if they are actively being alienated it’s hard as you’re effectively saying their mum is lying at best, or at worst showing their mum in a bad light.

it’s shit unfortunately.

He should stop texting her, she's probably enjoying the power.

Let her get on with it. Why would you want selfish people like this in your life anyway, they don't bring anything to it, they just cause grief.
Lucky her fathers interested in her many aren't.

arethereanyleftatall · 21/03/2024 15:09

The problem seems to be entirely her useless father. Literally entirely.
Of course she doesn't want to come if her father puts no effort in and she lives two hours away.
I've no idea at all why you are putting any of the blame at all on her mother.
Your suggestion is right - the father should be drivjng to see her and putting some effort it, rather than leaving it all to you.
What thoroughly shit parenting from him.

CwmYoy · 21/03/2024 15:25

Behold the totally unhelpful "Ii isn't birth mum" replies.

Pathetic.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 21/03/2024 15:28

PassingStranger · 21/03/2024 14:54

How horrible for your SD to say she dosent want to see her dad again.
How does she think that will make her dad feel?
Would she like it if her child said that about her?
I'd she changes her mind one day which I expect she will, will she expect her dad to be there.
Be careful how you treat people.

He has brought it on himself, I think, @PassingStranger. The OP says she does the vast majority of the activities and parenting with her stepdaughter, and her dh is very uninvolved and uninterested. If he wants a relationship with his daughter, why isn’t he working at it?

Obeast · 21/03/2024 15:31

Your husband doesn't bother with his child and here are the natural consequences. 💁🏼‍♀️
Good on her.

GinAndJuice99 · 21/03/2024 15:31

Hmm. There's nothing in your post even approaching a reason she might have made this quite drastic decision. Surely there must have been something that triggered it. When her mum said 'the problem is your wife', did your husband ask her to elaborate? Was it really just being asked to hang up a towel?

Yogatoga1 · 21/03/2024 15:33

girlfriend44 · 21/03/2024 15:07

He should stop texting her, she's probably enjoying the power.

Let her get on with it. Why would you want selfish people like this in your life anyway, they don't bring anything to it, they just cause grief.
Lucky her fathers interested in her many aren't.

Because she’s his daughter and he loves her and wants her in his life 🤷‍♀️

Tbf I don’t think it’s about power. It’s about her mum having a very strong emotional hold over her and telling her lies about her dad that he isn’t able to refute, which strengthens the emotional reliance.

children can be very easily manipulated by adults, so I’m not leaping to this being her fault.

Tiddlywinks63 · 21/03/2024 15:33

Well, he should have pulled his finger out and parented her properly from the start, shouldn’t he? It’s a bit late to start realising what a father should do!

PassingStranger · 21/03/2024 15:33

BruFord · 21/03/2024 14:14

I think your suggestion that your DH should go to where his daughter lives, and spend some one-on-one time with her is a very good one, and it is telling that he has never taken you up on that offer.

I agree with this, the onus is on him to facilitate their relationship. Honestly, I wouldn’t clear out her room yet as that’s sending a message that she’s not welcome anymore, and she clearly is.

I suspect that phrase “for the sake of her mental health” is being used as it’s difficult for your DH to argue with it-he can’t exactly say that he doesn’t care about his DD’s MH, can he.

Anyway, I’d keep encouraging your DH to ask his DD whether she’d like to meet up with him where she lives. Even if she only agrees to see him once a month or every six weeks, they’ll still be keeping the connection going. He’s the adult and HE needs to make an effort to ensure that their relationship survives.

If he's not wanted I disagree, if your daughter says she dosent want to see you again why should you keep trying and getting knocked back.

It actually sounds from the description she's probably had too much. You can spoil them and they become selfish.
Dad's got his mental health to think of too.
If something suddenly happened to her dad, she would regret being like this.
I hate people who treat their parents like crap.

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Uricon2 · 21/03/2024 15:34

PassingStranger · 21/03/2024 14:54

How horrible for your SD to say she dosent want to see her dad again.
How does she think that will make her dad feel?
Would she like it if her child said that about her?
I'd she changes her mind one day which I expect she will, will she expect her dad to be there.
Be careful how you treat people.

She's 14, her brain will simply not work that way.

She's of an age where a 2 hour journey away from her friends for a weekend is a big and unappealing deal. If her mother has left her to her own devices more than she should have, those friends will be even more important in her life than normal for a teenager (and that's usually very important)

However, she may well change her mind in time and all you can do OP is encourage him to keep reaching out to her. It is his effort not her immediate response that will count in the long run. If he has been lacking so far, this may be difficult, though, but that's on him.

Obeast · 21/03/2024 15:36

@PassingStranger if someone treats a parent like 'crap', there is usually good reason. In this case, OPs shitty husband hasn't bothered with his child and is now facing obvious natural consequences.

Foxblue · 21/03/2024 15:39

You sound like you've really gone out of your way to make her welcome and run a good family environment... which makes it even more confusing why you'd stay with someone even you say 'never really made much of an effort' with his own daughter?? He's the problem here - why on earth did you stay with this man after you realised he was a shit parent? You literally describe him as neglecting her!
Clear her bedroom out... then clear his stuff out.... and get rid of him.

LakeTiticaca · 21/03/2024 15:40

She is 14. At 14 I would rather have sawn my own leg off than spend any time with my parents. Worse still being seen out in public with them. It just wasn't cool and I'm sure young teenagers haven't changed too much in attitude since I was one 50 years ago.
Her father has basically let you do all the parenting and no wonder you feel pissed off. Let the parents fight it out between them.
SD will probably be back when she wants something her mother cant/won't give her

OhmygodDont · 21/03/2024 15:44

I mean your dh is a poor father isn’t he.

He lives two hours away from his daughter, doesn’t actually do anything with her or care to visit her in her turf as such and is then al shocked when she at 14 would rather stay in her home and be near her friends and daily life.

With the old/current set up she only ever gets to spend time with her friends or her mothers family school nights which isn’t great let’s face it.

He needs to go to her and show he actually cares ideally you guys wouldn’t be 2 hours away for a start though. I don’t understand how either of you expected that to work long term.

BruFord · 21/03/2024 15:45

@PassingStranger What I mean is that he should offer to travel to see her regularly. If she doesn’t want to see him, so be it. But he should keep offering as he’s the adult in this situation.

Teenagers can be very fickle, but they definitely need to know that they’re loved. I’ve got two of them and we’re right in the thick of a grumpy, monosyllabic phase with DS (15). We still tell him that we love him though and offer to spend time with him. Sometimes he actually enjoys our company!

socks1107 · 21/03/2024 15:45

We were in a similar situation with my sd at 14, she actually started coming back over again after several months and this went back to normal.
She has however recently cut us off again. No one really knows the reason, it came off the back of some dreadful behaviour and by us parenting that she's walked away from a relationship with us. My husband was very involved in her life and very hands on, she was allowed to come over later to fit in jobs and friends but it seems not allowing her to do everything she wants when mum turns a blind eye means we're cut off.
It's been horrendous and awful. Everyone feels like there's a bit of the family missing. Despite how dreadful things were leading up to it she was still a part of this blended family unit and one that just days before returned from a really nice holiday. I have no doubt she's been alienated, but she also told a lot of lies about her mum to us so it's hard to know what was truth or not.
We've sent birthday cards but had no response either.

My advice now we're in it the second time is that you can't change their mind nor force them. Get on with your life. We have a different look to our weekends now. Not one we were expecting so soon or suddenly but one we have and we try to enjoy a little something each week.
It doesn't mean you've shut the door totally but your are entitled to live. If that means changing a room then do it, we have as a whole room could be used for another purpose that works for those of us here rather than sitting empty and after this time it will never be eow again so the room can be adapted at that point if needed for an overnight. She's no idea we've done this as she's not been here.
And yes go on holiday.

WhingeInTheWillows · 21/03/2024 15:47

Birth mum is a good phrase to use. You’ll get the usual horrified reaction, just ignore it.
You should step back now. Your SD dad should make much more effort and keep offering to travel to see her. It may take a while but not to give up.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 21/03/2024 15:50

You sound exhausted by it all, OP. I'll ignore the 'birth mum' thing as that's been covered extensively but what the hell is your husband doing?

I don't doubt that you run about in your house, facilitating every single thing. Are you making up for his lack lustre effort? He doesn't sound like much of a father from what you've posted and if his daughter has been on the tail end of that then I would imagine he has a lot to answer for.

Either way, I doubt that it's anything to do with you, you're just in the cross-hairs, unfairly.. Let the mum and your husband sort it out between them, it's their child and their problem to resolve.

Obeast · 21/03/2024 15:50

Treat yourself to a divorce. Such a shit man was never marriage material anyway. Shocking that you weren't repulsed by him being a deadbeat.

Hattie98 · 21/03/2024 15:52

So for all these years, your SD has been travelling 2 hours each way to spend weekends with a dad who can't really be bothered with her? And he has never made the effort himself to travel to see her, spend time with her and build a relationship?

Sorry, but you have a crap husband and your SD is now old enough to have realised that.

yourlobster · 21/03/2024 15:57

@Time4GinAgain you're getting the blame for her dad being shit. It's far easier for her to see this as your doing than having to accept that it's her dad's choice to not engage properly with her.

Sounds like you're doing everything you can to try and help them stay connected but if he isn't going to try then you can't change things.

I agree him going down to see her 1:1 will be better. Maybe he can also write to her explaining how much he loves her and wants to see her. He could also apologise for not being there for her.

I think you were probably joking about her room but just in case, leave it as it is.

yourlobster · 21/03/2024 15:57

Who moved btw? Mum or dad?

p1ppyL0ngstocking · 21/03/2024 16:16

People seem to forget these children are human beings.

I don't know ANYONE who would repeatedly spend four hours of their precious weekend in a car to visit someone who was disengaged with them, let alone years of doing that.

As I've aged, I've stared matching people's effort. So if I've always had to do the driving to theirs, I've said "yep, I'd love to see you, it's my turn to host though, so tell me when you're free to drive down" and if they don't, I don't see them. Why would I put in more effort than the other person?

Maybe your SD is just putting good boundaries in place, so she doesn't become a walkover in life.

I can't believe your H has never driven to see her, stayed in her area, paid for an AirBnB locally to his daughter and allowed her to have friends round or spend the day with her mates and the evening with him and do usual things that teenagers do a a weekend.

What a selfish man.