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How to move on... from newly estranged step-daughter drama

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 13:17

DH and I have his daughter, my SD, up every weekend and half the holidays, with my son (from a previous relationship) who lives with us. This has been scheduled and occurring for 11 years fairly well. In the last 2 years SD has been a bit grumpy and miserable, which I put down to the beginning of teenagedom (she's now 14), then three months ago she told her Birth Mum she didn't want to come up to ours 'ever again'.

My DH and his ex/her Mum, argued over email - particularly when BM said 'the problem is your wife'. I have never had any issues with my SD apart from noticing how she is recently always moody celebrating anything but her own birthday and doesn't get enough attention from her Dad which I have encouraged him for years to do - plus the fact she doesn't like it that we have a few basic rules in our house, because that differs from BM's house with SD. I understand it's a schlep to ours too (we live 2 hours away) and she probably wants to hang with her friends more where she lives, esp now she's older.

BM has always made life difficult for us as she acts like the world owes her a favour. I was a single mum for 5 years so originally she had my support and I would rally around doing what I could to look after SD when she was 3 and upward but she (BM) was never happy.

My DH has never really made much of an effort with his daughter either, and blissfully dreams we are living a 'blended family' life. I have for years suggested he go down to where SD lives and look after her/hang out with her down there 121 away from us to give his Daughter 'quality father time' - and while I have been doing most of the parenting when she's up, I guess have become the 'bad guy' and don't like being so when it's not fair on SD or on me.

So I don't really care about his ex blaming me for being 'the problem' as I think both BM and DH have neglected SD who has often complained that her mum leaves her upstairs for hours (since she was 10) alone with her ipad while BM watches TV downstairs without her.

I can easily see how our slightly more attentive/more inclusive household is something that would p**s off a SD who isn't used to much attention or rules, and by rules I mean, coming out for a dog walk once a weekend, keeping her room tidy by making her bed and putting her dirty clothes in her wash bin and hanging up her wet towels after a shower - all stuff that my son and my SD have been asked to do since they were 8 and 9 respectively, so for the last 5-6 years.

We/I have spent years and years creating a warm, fun, safe family environment with lots of trips and holidays, cinema, theatre, galleries, swimming lessons, water parks, country hotels with activities, holiday clubs, family time, cooking, drama classes, cycling lessons when young, trips to see extended family, summers abroad, take aways, meals out, sleepovers with friends, parties, clothes, hair & nails treats and beauty time, bedrooms redecorated every 2 years, boardgames, books, bedtime stories and games (when younger), alone time, film nights, sports, dancing classes, gymnastics, flip out, go karting, soft play, Father Christmas visits, zoos, parks, seaside trips in UK, and let them have a decent amount of private screen time alone/with their friends (like more than 5 hours a weekend day).

DH and SD's BM are still arguing, but now BM has gone to a lawyer and said she's 'being instructed by her daughter for her mental health' and that she doesn't want to come up and now doesn't ever want to see DH again. He has gone to mediation and a lawyer himself. The BM says now SD is 14 she can do what she likes and ‘for the sake of her mental health’ DH must not contact her to talk to her to try to change her mind, let alone him come down or SD come up again. I am not sure there’s a court or law in the land that would tell a child she must not communicate with her dad where for 11 years it has been a close relationship - unless something awful has occurred, like abuse or something, which isn’t the case here.

DH and BM have joint mediation arranged and I have said to DH that he might have to accept that all he can offer/expect is to have occasional/less frequent time with his Daughter now she’s older - and that he should take the time to spend time down there where she lives, rather than up here, and spend it alone with her 1-2-1 - especially as now the BM is all fired up and seemingly not encouraging SD to visit us/attempting to alienate him by telling daughter not to speak or text or FaceTime him. I also said she'd probably come around (mentally speaking) in a while, give her some time and minimise all contact with the BM.

I am happy to stay out of it right now as I haven’t enjoyed being a step mum at all, and feel under supported for years by my DH, and I am TIRED.

I guess I’m just wondering is it too soon to clear out SD’s bedroom, and turn it into a gym then f* off on holiday without them all?

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:13

BruFord · 21/03/2024 14:14

I think your suggestion that your DH should go to where his daughter lives, and spend some one-on-one time with her is a very good one, and it is telling that he has never taken you up on that offer.

I agree with this, the onus is on him to facilitate their relationship. Honestly, I wouldn’t clear out her room yet as that’s sending a message that she’s not welcome anymore, and she clearly is.

I suspect that phrase “for the sake of her mental health” is being used as it’s difficult for your DH to argue with it-he can’t exactly say that he doesn’t care about his DD’s MH, can he.

Anyway, I’d keep encouraging your DH to ask his DD whether she’d like to meet up with him where she lives. Even if she only agrees to see him once a month or every six weeks, they’ll still be keeping the connection going. He’s the adult and HE needs to make an effort to ensure that their relationship survives.

Yes but I fear too little (from DH) too late.

I suspect that phrase “for the sake of her mental health” is being used as it’s difficult for your DH to argue with it-he can’t exactly say that he doesn’t care about his DD’s MH, can he.

Quite.

Can I just run away from them for a bit (and come back to a home gym?)😉

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:14

Friarclose · 21/03/2024 14:15

You won't get much support here OP, they hate stepmothers. My SD decided when she was 11 that she never wanted to see DH and I again, she'll be 16 in August and it's never changed. It's alienation from her mother and partly because she is a nasty ungrateful brat. Feel free to PM if you want advice from some who has been through this crap

Thanks. Wanna work out in my new home gym together? 😉

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:15

Friarclose · 21/03/2024 14:15

You won't get much support here OP, they hate stepmothers. My SD decided when she was 11 that she never wanted to see DH and I again, she'll be 16 in August and it's never changed. It's alienation from her mother and partly because she is a nasty ungrateful brat. Feel free to PM if you want advice from some who has been through this crap

Shall we start StepMumsNet.com?

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HappiestSleeping · 21/03/2024 18:15

Maybe SD has picked up on you wanting a new gym? 🤔

Georgyporky · 21/03/2024 18:18

I'd be relieved in that situation, never having to put up with SD again.

Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:18

ThatTimeIKnewFamousPeople · 21/03/2024 14:21

Ah poor kid. I know it's not what you asked, but did you realise your DH doesn't make any effort with his daughter before having a child with him (or have I misread and you don't have joint children).

He doesn't sound great and despite all the activities if he's not showing her much care why would she want to spend time with him? And where has the sudden energy to fight for her come from, when he previously couldn't be bothered to travel 2 hours to see her?

I'd respect her decision and think about what his parenting style is going to mean for your children

I guess I've been trying to persuade him into fighting for her. In truth, he has done nothing. I even googled the lawyer and mediation for him. Short of wiping his arse I can't do anything more. He was always inattentive, but he's 'low registration' (apparently it's a thing) so I was not sure if he meant to be so useless. I constantly debate whether he's slow and a bit dumb or manipulative and out and out lazy. Jury is still out. Maybe that holiday is actually a good idea...

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Reugny · 21/03/2024 18:20

Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:13

Yes but I fear too little (from DH) too late.

I suspect that phrase “for the sake of her mental health” is being used as it’s difficult for your DH to argue with it-he can’t exactly say that he doesn’t care about his DD’s MH, can he.

Quite.

Can I just run away from them for a bit (and come back to a home gym?)😉

A gym is a bit drastic as you can't really fit a bed in it like a home office.

(Ignoring the fact that the bed will be covered in paperwork or used as your "thinking" couch most of the time.)

Tandora · 21/03/2024 18:21

Friarclose · 21/03/2024 14:15

You won't get much support here OP, they hate stepmothers. My SD decided when she was 11 that she never wanted to see DH and I again, she'll be 16 in August and it's never changed. It's alienation from her mother and partly because she is a nasty ungrateful brat. Feel free to PM if you want advice from some who has been through this crap

I’m not surprised she doesn’t want to see you when you call her a nasty, ungrateful brat!! Have some self awareness FFS.!

Reugny · 21/03/2024 18:22

Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:18

I guess I've been trying to persuade him into fighting for her. In truth, he has done nothing. I even googled the lawyer and mediation for him. Short of wiping his arse I can't do anything more. He was always inattentive, but he's 'low registration' (apparently it's a thing) so I was not sure if he meant to be so useless. I constantly debate whether he's slow and a bit dumb or manipulative and out and out lazy. Jury is still out. Maybe that holiday is actually a good idea...

She's 14.

He cannot force her to see him any more.

Her mother, who probably still wants eow to herself, also can't force their DD to come and see him.

So regardless of whether he goes to mediation with her mother or not, and they agree something if their DD doesn't want to co-operate there is nothing they can do.

Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:24

LolaJ87 · 21/03/2024 14:28

Children/Teens know where they aren't wanted. A dad that makes zero effort and a stepmother who has hated her role, wants to clear out her room and hasn't said anything she'll miss about a child she's known for eleven years. That poor little girl, I feel very sad for her.

I do too (feel sad for her). I didn't hate her, I hated being in a huge influential role without support, recognition or assistance from my husband or anyone else, despised by BM who I have invited out many time, had over to stay where she just talked about her problems all night despite Daughter being right there and ignored, had over for meals so SD could hang with both her parents, babysat for when DH couldn't, driven those 2 hours down every weekend in the beginning because DH was at work and BM wanted 'rid' of her Daughter (for 2 years), respected her need to vent to DH all the time throughout the whole of the last 11 years - and bend his ear and worry and guilt-trip him, and remember I did all this because I myself had been a single mum and wanted to be amenable and agreeable and Not The Problem. Somehow I am still The Problem.

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Reugny · 21/03/2024 18:24

Tandora · 21/03/2024 18:21

I’m not surprised she doesn’t want to see you when you call her a nasty, ungrateful brat!! Have some self awareness FFS.!

The poster hasn't told us the story behind her comments.

There are step-mothers, as well as other relations, who are abused by children in the family. Domestic abuse by children isn't as rare as people think.

Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:25

Marblessolveeverything · 21/03/2024 14:29

She is 14 she now sees her dad and his lack of effort. She can't be mandated to have contact. I am sorry but you are caught in the middle.

But I can have a gym, right? 😉

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Easipeelerie · 21/03/2024 18:27

If he’s such a bad dad to his daughter, he’s a bad person full stop. What do you be with a bad person for?

Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:27

MiltonNorthern · 21/03/2024 14:31

Sounds like your husband has fucked it by being a detached dad and the daughter is blaming you. Why on earth are you calling her birth mum though? That's crazy.

Well I could call her by her full name, but I think that would be unkind and sort of 'outing' her. I wouldn't want Mumsnetwrath to descend on anyone unprepared.

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:28

jeaux90 · 21/03/2024 14:51

She is a teenager and wants to spend time with her own friends some of the weekends. She has probably found a good excuse to enact that if your DH has made little effort.

I think the best you can hope for now is once a month and some of the holidays. I really don't get how some people expect these family situations to work when kids have to schlep hours away when they are teens.

Agreed. It was actually every OTHER weekend (sorry, I mistyped) and DH would take her home and BM would bring her up.

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:30

Hankunamatata · 21/03/2024 14:52

He hasn't been enagaged and this is the result. It's not a reflection on you but you can imagine sd going back to mums and saying Time4 did x, y, z with me and the mum saying what about your dad and sd saying we'll nothing really. Doesn't take too many steps for sd to get resentful of the situation. Add in she probably doesn't want to be hanging out with any parents and be with her friends. It's the prefect storm. I would suggest he goes down one weekend a month with some planned activities to do with dd

Thank you. Literally exactly what happened.

I would suggest he goes down one weekend a month with some planned activities to do with dd.

😍Yep!

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Bumblebeestiltskin · 21/03/2024 18:33

Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:02

He's not shitty, he's just not present or attentive. But I hear you, and I'm sorry your Dad was shitty. I'm glad you got away from him and his shitty-ness.

Not present or attentive = shitty.

Obeast · 21/03/2024 18:35

Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:18

I guess I've been trying to persuade him into fighting for her. In truth, he has done nothing. I even googled the lawyer and mediation for him. Short of wiping his arse I can't do anything more. He was always inattentive, but he's 'low registration' (apparently it's a thing) so I was not sure if he meant to be so useless. I constantly debate whether he's slow and a bit dumb or manipulative and out and out lazy. Jury is still out. Maybe that holiday is actually a good idea...

What a disgrace of a man. How can you find him attractive and want to stay married to that?

Crochetablanket · 21/03/2024 18:37

Beezknees · 21/03/2024 13:33

I'm not surprised her mum was never happy, since by your own admission your DH doesn't make any effort with his own daughter. I'd be incredibly pissed off too.

And don't necessarily think stepdaughter will "come around" I have been NC with my dad since I was 12 for his shitty behaviour.

This.
Your very long post about how marvellous a life she had with you and her Dad ends with ‘ I haven’t enjoyed being a step mum at all’ - maybe she’s realised that what she needs is some genuineness from both of you.
( the ‘BM’ thing also not cool)

Noseybookworm · 21/03/2024 18:38

It sounds like you have made every effort over the many years you have been Stepmum and unfortunately your partner hasn't put the effort in with his own daughter. We reap what we sow and she no longer wants to spend time with him. This is not your fault. It's up to him to try and make amends and maintain a relationship with his daughter, he needs to let her know that he loves her and make the effort to go and see her and do things with her if she'll let him. Either way, you are right to stay out of it and leave him to try and sort things out. I would hold off on changing her room though and keep it there for her should she decide to visit. 14 is a difficult age but it doesn't mean things won't get better.

Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:38

GinAndJuice99 · 21/03/2024 15:31

Hmm. There's nothing in your post even approaching a reason she might have made this quite drastic decision. Surely there must have been something that triggered it. When her mum said 'the problem is your wife', did your husband ask her to elaborate? Was it really just being asked to hang up a towel?

Yep. And asking her how she's doing, or feeling. That's it. Last time we saw her we were watching a Netflix series and she said 'wait for me to come back to watch the finale together'. Maybe this is a cruel lesson in patience...

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:42

yourlobster · 21/03/2024 15:57

@Time4GinAgain you're getting the blame for her dad being shit. It's far easier for her to see this as your doing than having to accept that it's her dad's choice to not engage properly with her.

Sounds like you're doing everything you can to try and help them stay connected but if he isn't going to try then you can't change things.

I agree him going down to see her 1:1 will be better. Maybe he can also write to her explaining how much he loves her and wants to see her. He could also apologise for not being there for her.

I think you were probably joking about her room but just in case, leave it as it is.

well, I am a BIT tempted with the home gym 😉

Thanks for your thoughts xx

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Time4GinAgain · 21/03/2024 18:43

yourlobster · 21/03/2024 15:57

Who moved btw? Mum or dad?

Mum wanted to split, Dad moved away after 2 years

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PuppiesOnTheWay · 21/03/2024 18:44

I'd give up now @Time4GinAgain , you're automatically the devil on here just for being a SM.
Sounds like you have done more than enough and the two other adults that should have been supporting your efforts have fallen massively short.
Go on holiday (alone!) and set the gym up, you can't be loathed more than you already are😉

Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 21/03/2024 18:45

My DH has never really made much of an effort with his daughter either

Wow. He’s a total failure.

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