New study: Millions of men ‘would xesually abuse children if secrecy was assured’ — The Times

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New study: Millions of men ‘would xesually abuse children if secrecy was assured’ — The Times.

A new study has revealed a shocking proportion of Australian men would abuse children “if no one found out”.

The research, conducted by the University of New South Wales, found “concerning” patterns, including that one in six Australian men said they had feelings for children under the age of 18, with 48 per cent of those answering being aged over 54.

One in 15 men questioned admitted they would have xesual contact with a child under the age of 14 if “no one found out”, while one in 25 said the same about children under 10.

The odds of a respondent saying they would have had xes with someone under the age of 18 was 10 times higher if they were aged over 65.

The survey, which questioned over 1900 men aged between 18 and 65 years old, is the world’s largest child sexual abuse perpetration prevention survey of its kind.

The study was welcomed by those who say that the common nature of xesual violence against women needs to be studied at the perpetrator level as well as with victims.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/millions-of-men-would-sexually-abuse-children-if-secrecy-was-sure-ncf9lx5v7

AIBU to be find it disturbing that these were the men only willing to admit it and its probably alot higher??

Reminds me of that red*it thread about men getting aroused changing their daughters diapers or that other study that showed men would happily commit rape if they were assured to never be revealed/caught.

What can we as women/parents/men that don't fall into the above statistics do to combat this ? How can we ensure our sons are not thinking these thoughts are ok?

It’s not a sexual orientation, it’s a perversion. And if you’re genuinely interested in helping the children who are bused by these men, maybe try listening to them, rather than thinking giving nonces a cutesy rebrand will help victims in any way.

The study likes to use its wording in quite a bias way to be honest, not defending any one who thinks sexual encounters with a minor is okay.

But reading the actual paper it says that the 5 of the survey items they used to determine if men over the age of 18 had sexually offended, were if they had ever had any sexual action with any one under the age of 18.

This included flirted or had sexual conversations with a person below the age of 18 online; Have webcammed in a sexual way with a person below the age of 18 ; Have had sex or sexual contact with a person below the age of 18 while over the age of 18.

Now you cannot seriously tell me that, it comes as a surprise that if you include females of 16/17 etc. have flirted sexually or had sexual experiences, experimented growing up with any man no matter how old young or older.

I know I had sex with my Bf at 17 (willingly). so does that mean he is now one of the Millions of men ‘would xesually abuse children if secrecy was assured. Bollocks. 😂

It may sound odd to you, but as someone who was abused by one of these men from the age of 3 (maybe younger for all I know) until around 8, I’m not falling over myself to find new user friendly terms for child abusers, because that term works well enough already. What’s your motivation for changing it?

Yeah, well, as I said some time ago,
most men would be openly abusive if "societal rules" and crime punishments weren't in place.
Full stop.

Please quote me where I said it was an orientation. I haven't. You need to read my posts properly.

The only way I've described paedophilia on this thread is as a psychosexual disorder. Which it is, as is hebephilia.

Minor attracted persons isn't a "cutesy rebrand". It covers all those who are attracted to minor children and of which paedophiles are only one part.

I remember back in the 1970s three quarters of the girls in my class ( all girls school ) had had sex or sexual contact by 15 often with men much older than them . I remember one girl at 15 having sex wearing her school uniform with a 28 year old behind his pregnant wife's back . At least 6 girls were pregnant by the time we left school, interestingly most are still with the guys that got them pregnant. They are great grandparents now . Some of my aunts were pregnant as teens and married to guys much older than them (1950s and 60s) I think this has always gone on but since the age of forensics and the internet it been brought into focus more.

Because the first step in stopping child abuse, is to focus on rebranding 🙄 Seriously, everyone knows what a child abuser is, everyone knows what a nonce is, and everyone knows what a pedo is. No child is hurt by these terms, only the feelings of the abuser.
Minor Attracted Person, removes the fact that it’s by FAR mostly men, that it’s a crime, and implies heavily that it’s a sexual orientation. I hate the term, if other child abuse victims like me hate it too, would that be good enough reason not to use it in your book?

Those numbers are staggering/appalling!

1 in 7,000 people tested had DNA which showed their parents were very closely related!

That's 1 in 7,000 living people, not talking about sex/abuse that didn't result in pregnancy, or that ended in a termination or miscarriage, and it only includes people who made it to adulthood and agreed to take part in the research.

How much higher must that 1 in 7,000 figure really be if everything else was excluded???

Shocking!

Right back at you.

No one should be normalising child sexual abuse by calling it child porn.

I'm not surprised that a significant minority of men are nonces. When I was at school, absolutely loads of my classmates from the ages of 13-16 were 'seeing' men in their late-20s to mid-30s. The one's 'boyfriend' was trying to convince her to do a threesome on tape with a friend. She was 14 at the time.

My best mate and her sister were abused from the age of six by a prolific paedophile. He eventually got put away for a couple of different cases of child abuse - they never went to the police, because if their own parents hadn't believed them, why would anyone else?

I worked at a place where two different guys got arrested for owning csa images - completely unrelated cases, ten years apart. The one was caught as part of a joint operation with the FBI as he was part of a big paedophile ring, he was jailed (I think he was also creating the images, as well as distributing them). The other was done for possessing extremely serious images of CSA and bestiality - he got a suspended sentences, because the judge felt that he was remorseful and sending him to prison would be 'counterproductive'.

That's not even getting to the weird creepiness you see online with female child actresses, especially as they go into their teens. Horrendous comments like, "If there's grass on the field", etc.

I’m not surprised. I know a lot men (especially incels) believe that early to late teen girls are the most attractive. They like to say it’s biological and that girls are most fertile at their age, which is just categorically false.

I remember speaking to female friends in uni and agreeing that we got more male attention in our preteens-early teens than we did in our late teens and early 20’s.
It’s disgusting.

Indeed. And attempts to popularise terms like MAP and hebephile etc are giving a PR gloss to child abusers. As another poster said, we all know what a nonce is.

The purpose of MAP is to allow people to say they find children under 18 attractive but haven’t committed any offences. Some of them use their recognition of it to bolster their determination not to offend.

It’s an addition to terms like hebephile and paedophile which people use inaccurately anyway.

Whenever people chuntering about the pushback about same sex spaces and women’s rights refer to section28 and just like the stigma gay people endured, I think it’s actually more akin to PIE in the 70s. An attempt to legitimise and garner sympathy for something society needs to double down about.

Billions more like.

I get the distinction between these different words but these are academic distinctions and it’s weird to push them into mainstream use. It feels like a softening up. If a nonce abuses a 14 year old girl I’m not going to be furrowing my brow too much about whether he meets the academic definition of a paedophile. I agree, society needs to double down on this.

There used to be a large minority (abusing) 13 year olds.

I think that’s a bit unfair. Paedophiles target and groom powerful people for protection. I’m sure Charles wasn’t the only establishment person to know all three.

Reminds me of that redit thread about men getting aroused changing their daughters diapers*

What the actual fuck?? What thread?

@ScrollingLeaves yeah I can believe that too sadly. The worst thing is I felt attracted to men at 13 so if one had shown that level of interest I'd probably have gone along with it. I was abused by a girl of 14 when I was 9. The dodgy/abusive men stuff happened from 17 plus. For which I'm in a twisted way grateful.
I think in Australia it might be worse than UK simply because there's a lot more isolated areas where noone goes so maybe easier to get away with it. Also there's a big child porn market in Philippines and SE Asia which might be easier for them to access physically.

You haven't had much acquaintance with queer theory then, or noticed the grip it now has on our society and institutions. Think it will never happen? Yeah, loads of us thought we'd never see the day when men took the prizes in women's sports, and male-bodied rapists were sent into women's prisons.

There's also been men admitting to being sexually aroused by chest feeding, but that's definitely fine because they identify as women. 🙄

I thought one of the main motivations for MAP was to encourage people to seek help, ideally before they offend. I don’t think it’s about mainstreaming paedophiles and hebephiles or saying it’s acceptable.

I remember reading a long article about it years ago which talked about men who were having thoughts (but hadn’t offended) and were so ashamed and disgusted of themselves that they took their own lives. The article talked about various forms of help available for ‘MAPs’. I understand why people are offended by this term but ultimately it’s a positive thing if it reduces offending rates.

As for doing studies on it, of course it’s useful. Unless we get to the root causes of it then nothing will change. People are still entitled to be sickened by it, and rightly so, but seeing it as sick, end of discussion ultimately isn’t very helpful.

No they're not, they've been latching onto lbgt, and it's not the first time they've tried similar.

You must live under a rock

Does not surprise me in the slightest.

Schoolgirl / school uniform is one of the top searches on PornHub. In Japan they don't even try to hide it schoolgirl porn is openly available on prominent shelves at every 7/11.

I remember many years ago a good mate of mine admitting (whilst he was drunk) that he and all his mates 'kind of fancied Hermione' in the first and second harry potter films. He's a normal, decent hardworking bloke in all other respects. So. Yeah.

Yep. Testosterone is one hell of a drug. And we pretend it isn't at our peril.