To be absolutely stoned with my 6 yr old?

[hanginglikefawkes]

We live a really normal sensible life usually. But my son has autism. I spent years without sleep , emailing schools, tracking his development .usually tonight is my night off, I work in a very demanding industry and I’m perpetually drained but dad has him on a Saturday night. I usually attack a bottle of wine, a Camberwell carrot and then just relax. Tonight dad is ill and I’ve been handed back my son , and he’s absolutely happy and gorgeous, and we’ve spent the last hour mirroring on the guitar. We’ve then had some food and I’ve just put him to bed .ive never been in charge of my son when im under the influence though. I feel like we’re fine. He is fast asleep and cosy in his room , im still anxious though. Obviously I stopped drinking and smoking when he came home. It’s just a weird situation for me, these two things are so dichotomised.

You didn't plan this so try not to feel too bad.

Ps I would absolutely recommend an art gallery or museum when high, it’s an amazing experience

The Kusama Infinity Rooms at Tate Modern are really something after a hit ...

"Cannabis is the most widely used psychoactive drug in the world and is implicated in the exacerbation of anxiety and sleep disorders, and people with eating disorders often misuse it. It antagonises adenosine receptors, which may potentiate dopaminergic activity and exacerbate psychosis. In psychiatric in-patients, cannabis has been found to increase anxiety, hostility and psychotic symptoms"

I've replaced caffeine in the original transcript with cannabis. Just to give some context to the use of the terms psychosis and psychoactive.

Wonderful, yes you have somehow managed to quote a medical study showing that other drugs (in this case the misuse of caffeine) can exacerbate the mental health of those suffering from psychiatric disorders and anorexia nervosa. Well done! Like I said previously your incoherent and irrational arguments (which are mostly) stating that other drugs are also dangerous is not worth my time. It also doesn't discredit the long-proven point that cannabis is actually detriment to people's health (both physically and mentally) P.s. If you feel that strongly about the dangers of caffeine consumption negatively affecting those with pre-existing mental health conditions - then I would suggest taking it up with your MP and trying to get it made illegal! Good luck to you.

You sound like a lovely mum and you've both had a relaxing eve.. don't stress

I don’t do weed. Not because of any moral issues just don’t like the smell. You didn’t know he was going to be home and he’s fine. Relax.

I drank a whole bottle of wine tonight with my kids in bed. Pissed, probably. Incoherently imbibed. No. I could converse with emergency services, deal with a wet bed etc.

Sometimes things happen.

I think you're missing the point. It's about context. Caffeine & sugar for example, in what is considered normal dosage, can cause psychosis in people. It's rare, but so is cannabis induced psychosis in the general population. It's also, not the same as schizophrenia.

You don't seem to be able to seperate the data on adolescents, which is still unclear on the causal relationship, from the adult population.

Why would I contact my MP? I'm not interested in policing what people consume. What I am interested in is people having informed choice. I'm not advocating anything, simply trying to counter your fairly hysterical position with some rationality.

I've tried most drugs, but I have a working knowledge of drug receptor interactions and their likely effects. I know what works for me and what I should avoid. Personally, I find they enhance my experiences. I don't need them, but as I have a terminal condition which means I'll likely not make retirement age, it seems rather churlish not to experience what gifts nature has provided while I can.

Like I said before your arguments are clearly nonsense, and you have an obvious intent to minimise the dangers of cannabis - by using any means possible. So congrats on that... I'm not wasting any more time engaging

It's not minimising to state the fact that cannabis induced psychosis is rare amongst the general population. I've acknowledged there is a link to psychosis, particularly in adolescence.

You seem very agitated, even a bit hysterical. If only there were something that could help with that.

Wonderful, now going for personal insults - how lovely. You have also clearly shown that you have engaged in multiple types of illicit drug use - so congrats on that. I guess. No wonder you are so keen to try and muddy the waters showing how dangerous drugs are! Enjoy the fake little victory that you get from posting some more incoherent nonsense after I leave to try to make me look stupid... (until anyone reads your incoherent arguments to try to take the heat off of a user for being stoned whilst looking after kids)... At least now everyone can see that your nonsensical arguments are deeply rooted in your immoral decision to "try most drugs" - which is shameful by the way!

I mean, it's not ideal, obviously, but you weren't expecting to have your son with you, so it's not like you knowingly decided to get off your face while looking after him! You stopped as soon as he was dropped off with you and no harm was done. You might not have been at your best, but you obviously weren't so stoned/drunk that you couldn't care for your son, so really, don't beat yourself up about this!

Your subsequent anxiety may, however, be worse because of the weed/booze. Both are things that chill you out when you're taking them, but can make you very anxious/paranoid when they're leaving your system. So (given that you had a perfectly fine evening and your son went to bed happy, fed and well) the guilt just might be the weed talking.

Twice you've promised to bugger off, twice you've ignored your own statements. You're far more invested in your crusade to subvert evidence than is normal. But, you're welcome to your ill informed prejudices and your wilful misinterpretations.

What I am interested in is people having informed choice.

I know this sounds all cool and clever, however in reality do you think that many teens (a group you have acknowledged are at most risk from cannabis induced psychosis) sit down with scientific literature and makes an "informed choice" about whether to ingest cannabis? Do you honestly think that happens?

And it really isn't that bloody rare! It's common enough to be a social problem.

It's neither cool or clever, it's simply the case. Mine kids did sit down and discuss drugs and chose not to experiment. That's informed choice. But you're right, I certainly didn't as a teen and most won't. However, if drugs had been spoken about in a culturally grown up way. If research, which has only recently been given anything like the attention it deserves, had been encouraged rather than suppressed, they wouldn't need to seek it out.

What's the alternative? Prohibition simply doesn't work. It's a waste of resources for our criminal justice system. There's mounting evidence for alternative approaches being far more successful at reducing harm and overwhelming evidence for reducing deaths from other drugs.

You say it's a big enough to be a social problem. But is it? It's insignificant when compared with alcohol. It's also far less dangerous than many alternatives.

It's absolutely tragic for those young people, or adults, negatively impacted, and for their families. But it's not a statistically significant component of our mental health crisis, in adults or children.

https://news.sky.com/story/professor-david-nutt-former-government-adviser-says-alcohol-is-most-dangerous-drug-11909379

That's just our differing opinions. I think weed and a glass of wine are no different

Yeah I did say that alcohol was also a dangerous problematic drug. As it stands at the moment though, alcohol is legal and cannabis isn't (ok it's not a class A). But the legality of alcohol means it's controlled. Certainly you know what you're getting when you buy a bottle of wine, and you know you're not supporting a crime ridden exploitative supply chain.

And yes things would be different if it was legalised. But it's not going to be.

I've seen too many young men fucked up by cannabis use.

(Edited to add a point)