To be absolutely stoned with my 6 yr old?

[hanginglikefawkes]

We live a really normal sensible life usually. But my son has autism. I spent years without sleep , emailing schools, tracking his development .usually tonight is my night off, I work in a very demanding industry and I’m perpetually drained but dad has him on a Saturday night. I usually attack a bottle of wine, a Camberwell carrot and then just relax. Tonight dad is ill and I’ve been handed back my son , and he’s absolutely happy and gorgeous, and we’ve spent the last hour mirroring on the guitar. We’ve then had some food and I’ve just put him to bed .ive never been in charge of my son when im under the influence though. I feel like we’re fine. He is fast asleep and cosy in his room , im still anxious though. Obviously I stopped drinking and smoking when he came home. It’s just a weird situation for me, these two things are so dichotomised.

There is no such thing as a "low odour" strain of cannabis yet BestBadger.

Perhaps he's doing a bit of guerrilla farming on land? I quite like the idea of a uni lecturer, chugging around on his boat to tend to his plants.

@Hagbard sadly it’s not as good as that. He’s got about 6 plants going at any given time in a sort of plastic mini conservatory thing on the back of the boat where the outside seating is. It’s bloody obvious what they are I don’t think a single person on the marina hasn’t seen them. I just think they don’t care. Yes they smell a bit when in bud but he sleeps with two dogs in his bed and exists on curry so I don’t think he notices or cares. Back in the day people would grow 3 or 4 in a wardrobe in their bedrooms, it’s small enough to be personal use so he’d be looking at a fine if he did get reported.

The sanctimony is strong this Sunday. 😂

@hanginglikefawkes I sadly wouldn't have expected any different from a liberal arts lecturer these days. In your update you have not only managed to quote incredibly disingenuous information in regards to "cannabis, compared with alcohol is incredibly safe and was criminalised purely for political reasons." This is dangerously untrue, there are countless long-term studies showing that cannabis is very dangerous for its users long-term health - particularly their mental health and cognitive abilities (I've included some studies below). I would suggest you educate yourself on these risks. I sadly have... as I have many people in my family and friends who have fallen prey to cannabis, and this has sadly impacted them and their children's lives profoundly.

You have also managed to somehow insinuate that all of the poor unfortunate souls that slip into the path of taking drugs and end up either dead or in terrible situations, effectively had it coming to them... and were going to do that anyway, as a means of defending your own drug habits. This is simply shameful.

I'm also concerned that you have written that 40-60% of your papers were written high (which is both academic and professional misconduct)... which means that you are either higher a lot more than the only once a week that you stated, or that you do very little work - most of which is done under the influence of drugs. Neither of these scenarios are particularly good looks for you. You are also showing a pattern of being unprofessional and under the influence of drugs whilst in charge of younger people (both your students, or autistic son).

A few, of the many countless sources showing how bad cannabis is for your brain and mental health...

1. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/what-are-marijuanas-long-term-effects-brain
2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7605020/
3. https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/high-strength-cannabis-linked-to-addiction-and-mental-health-problems/
4. https://health.au.dk/en/display/artikel/stor-undersoegelse-viser-sammenhaeng-mellem-cannabismisbrug-og-psykiske-lidelser
5. https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/mental-health.html

There's a low budget film in there somewhere. Surely some strains are lower in certain terpenes than others, so shouldn't smell as skunky when growing?

Some are smellier than others, but they all stink.

I guess Bill Nighy would be the obvious choice, but for some reason I'm imagining Richard Briers playing the lead

🤣oh give over @albaalba351 .
its not my job to write papers is it, its my job to bloody teach and the writing is an extra curricular/ hobby which happens to be quite good so it gets published. There are plenty of studies that show that at a toxicity level cannabis is safer for the organs than booze, less likely to cause cancer or liver cirrhosis for a start.
all drugs of any kind require the user to be sensible and moderate ,all drugs cause harm when they’re used too often and that’s the point. I’ve never been tempted to smoke in the daytime or go anywhere under the influence ( it sounds horrible) it totally defeats the object of the relaxation I’m trying to achieve/ ditto parenting you can’t relax in that way when with kids so why bother? So no it’s never been a risk that it would creep into normal daily life because frankly that would be a nightmare. It’s for eating and enjoying music / writing / art etc only.
yes people get ill and it’s potentially from cannabis use but I’d bet my house that they were taking it a lot more frequently than I do. I bet they weren’t spending 2-3 hrs high and then having a lovely sleep.

@LittlePinkLampshade
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Your child is from a broken home and has a drug user as a mother. You have never put him first. If you had you wouldn’t be using drugs.*

A broken home and a drug user .... get a fucking grip!

@LittlePinkLampshade

literally no idea how you dare call OP a bad mother.

You must have led a very sheltered life.

you might wanna do something about that.

@hanginglikefawkes sure it's true that alcohol is also bad for you, and the main point is that you shouldn't do that around kids either! When you can bother to give some actual empirical evidence for your arguments - also maybe find one about why it's ok to drink and take illicit drugs around kids I'll be happy to reply... but until then I wish you good luck.

Ah OP some people on here would have you chained to the kitchen sink and your son 24/7!

How dare you do anything for you?? How dare you have fun??! You’re a MOTHER!

it’s so weird this attitude…like why?! We aren’t in the 1950s anymore

I read that as your 6 year old son was stoned too. So I can un grip my pearls.

Extremely dangerous? I think you need to read those studies properly and put them in to context.

Alcohol is by far the most damaging drug in the UK. The last government commissioned report on the subject concluded just this. It wasn't published because of its conclusions. (I spoke to the guy who lead on it)

Lots of things are harmful to mental health, 1 in 4 in the UK have been diagnosed with a mental illness. It's of epidemic proportions. There is absolutely no doubt that social & environmental factors are the biggest causes of poor mental health.

Actually I think you need to read the studies properly and put them into context... You have used absolutely no evidence at all in your argument...
Like I said before, I'm not debating that alcohol misuse is also dangerous and damaging to mental and physical health. What I am actually concerned about is that a mother is bragging about taking illicit drugs and having children under her care - which then later transpired into her actually admitting to writing 40-60% of her academic work whilst high. I don't actually follow whisperings about evidence 'I spoke to a guy who spoke to a guy etc" and I would advise you not to either. The actual reality is that cannabis is a dangerous drug...

Studies have consistently show that "People who use marijuana are more likely to develop temporary psychosis (not knowing what is real, hallucinations, and paranoia) and long-lasting mental disorders, including schizophrenia (a type of mental illness where people might see or hear things that are not really there)... The association between marijuana and schizophrenia is stronger in people who start using marijuana at an earlier age and use marijuana more frequently. Marijuana use has also been linked to depression; social anxiety; and thoughts of suicide, suicide attempts, and suicide." I would class that as highly dangerous... I certainly wouldn't touch a drug that could give me temporary psychosis or long-lasting mental disorders such as schizophrenia!

The interesting thing with your argument is that you are actively admitting that lots of the UK population (1 in 4) suffers with mental health conditions which means that cannabis is even more dangerous for them!

Are you saying the people who have shared that their friends and relatives whose mental health and ability to function have been ruined by cannabis were simply being sanctimonious?

@albaalba351 firstly one the articles you linked was concerning therapeutic applications in mental disorders ie using cannabis as medicine. 2 , these studies rarely take any real consideration of confounding variables so we don’t really know how person a or person b would have got on if they’d not used the stuff. Secondly it’s completely fucking irrelevant to the fact that as an adult I make a choice and I go to great lengths to avoid that affecting my responsibilities but got rather unlucky yesterday evening and thankfully all was well and I was just winding myself up about it. Everyone can read data, those of us with more experience and critical thinking skills can process the studies and then we all get to make a risk/ benefit assessment and decide how to live our lives. I also eat food that’s bad for me, I know it’s bad for me, but I like it so never mind. I’ve lived well over half my expected lifetime already and I’m privileged enough to be retiring very young so I’m not bothered about anything but enjoying my life as best I can and doing my best not to be an arsehole while I’m at it.

Alright you crack on.

Not sure what you were hoping to achieve with this thread if you're so apparently clear in your own mind.

Just hope something unexpected doesn't happen ever (unlikely).

No this poster wasn’t saying that. They were saying that the criticism of lifestyles and the lecturing was over the top. Yes people have developed illnesses and disorders from heavy use of cannabis. People die every day from drinking , there’s a world of difference though between moderate indulgence and someone who’s using daily . Also, not relevant to me in particular because I have smoked all my life from young teens and back then it probably was much more than now. If it were going to make me ill that ship would have sailed years ago. I’m an extremely light user and I’ve never had a mental health issue either. When I travel abroad I don’t touch it for weeks, I don’t think about it, it’s just not that big of a deal to me so it’s a bit crazy that some people are trying so hard to drill the dangers into me and lecture someone as old as me about it. Fully appreciate it’ll naturally disappear once it gets too complex to hide it from my son.

Yeah I appreciate that. You make your point well. However I think the problem with weed is you don't know if you will be one of the people it adversely affects. And while it remains something that's seem as a bit of harmless fun then it's acceptable.

I agree that alcohol causes social harms. Only an idiot wouldn't.

I have a couple of mates I go out with sometimes (male if that's relevant). Both enjoy a spliff at some point during the evening. One of them gets all giggly and fun. The other turns into a fucking arsehole. I decided on Friday I was never going out with him again. It's just unpredictable

@WestwardHo1 yes I know that type too! I’ve met several absolute arseholes on it. It’s psychoactive at the end of the day it’ll affect everyone differently and people need to be able to be honest with themselves if they suit it/ it suits them.
I find that the right dose with a bit of good wine gets me to a level of calm I can’t achieve well otherwise. I have a busy mind, probably ND given the similarities I see in my DS and while that makes me good at lots of things and naturally energetic and motivated it also makes it hard for me to switch off. Also , I think some commercially produced stains are wickedly strong and the cannaboid THC balances are all disrupted with the mutating strains. I wouldn’t mind betting that hippy weed is safer anyway.
Definitely not something that should be sold to teenagers though. Ever.

@hanginglikefawkes Like I said come back to me when you have an actual empirical argument. The reason I used the a therapeutic study was to show it revealed that a meta-analysis showed that "heavy cannabis use may be associated with an increased risk of developing depression as well as with levels of symptom severity... Accordingly, independent cohort studies investigating cannabinoid effects on depressive symptoms either in psychiatric patients or in the general population, reported that both medicinal and recreational cannabinoids worsened depressive symptoms. From recent research, however, it appears that acute cannabis use induces an immediate positive effect followed by worsening of depressive symptoms after repeated use." I only even posted links to these studies, as there was a lots of concerning talk that cannabis use is not dangerous. I too am actually trained In reading data, I would appreciate you not trying to discredit me for the perfectly valid use of a source.

Like I said previously, I have endured a lot from people taking drugs such as cannabis - in fact I too was exposed to it second-hand by people around me as a child. In fact I wouldn't even have posted if you hadn't posted something so deliberately provocative as being "absolutely stoned with my six year old" - which to lots of people is unbelievably shocking and a cause for concern. I really hope that you are able to overcome your stress in healthier ways in the future, and that this situation doesn't occur for you again.

You don't understand bidirectional causation.

I'm not even going to engage any further. Neither of you have given any actual evidence, you have just used whatever you can to try to justify your points, with no empirical evidence whatsoever. You've even given links to conspiracy style 'my friend in government couldn't get this published' typed arguments - and then had the audacity to accuse me of not understanding something - wow - this so called debate is not even worth my time. The reality is you were engaging in illegal drugs and then had a child in your care, and try to make me look like the idiot! Good luck to you both.

You should get into casting. Richard Briers would have been perfect.

I think by the time my DC is a teen it will probably be legal in the uk, its legal in so many countries now.

its even legal in Spain, I was in Barcelona last year and there are cannabis clubs you can join and smoke freely inside, I had an empty weed vape pen in the bottom of my hand luggage that I accidentally brought home with me!!

Like I said it’s legal in so many countries in the Eu and also legal in Canada, plus many American states, you can literally buy it online as easy as ordering an Amazon package.

The pens and the plant come in sophisticated packages, that marketing companies have probably spent £££ thousands on, all legit, regulated at their origin country, with barcodes and product descriptions etc. Akin to buying some artisan cheese or wine 😁