To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

I think it has already been noted on this thread but it is worth repeating...

Notice that when the victim of the sadistic murder was trans we heard all about the trans status immediately, everywhere, front and centre.
Notice that when the trans person is the murderer he is described almost entirely as a "woman" and the fact of the trans status is either omitted altogether or hidden deep in the text, behind a protective screen of graphic descriptions of the fate of the poor cat in a lot of cases. I know a number of people said they couldn't read past the bit about the cat and therefore had no clue that this wasn't actually a woman.

@WomaninBoots that is such a good point.

Yes. The facts are always used as a tool to serve the agenda.

Yes.

Criminals have had their sentences lessened and commuted because of their 'trans' status.

'Transgender woman is spared six months in jail for threatening man with a claw hammer in Budgens because judge says he does not know whether to send her to a male or female prison'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8050985/Transgender-woman-spared-jail-attacking-man-claw-hammer.html

Further to that, criminals' trans status is obfuscated or hidden or denied:

Andrew Miller/Amy George - initially reported as a man despite having lived for many years as 'Amy George'.

Scarlet Blake - reported as a 'woman' and his sex concealed.

Isla Bryson - several politicians insinuated that he is not 'genuinely' transgender.

Having thought about it more, I actually think that if someone commits murder or rape, they should lose the right to 'legally' transition. Obviously they can dress how they like but people don't have to call them the opposite sex, pronouns/ new name etc and they are treated legally as the birth gender. Same as a murderer/ rapist changing their name. Should not be allowed. As condition of your sentence.

I don't think Bryson was trans. I think there are a lot of men who claim to be because they get a kick out of it. This is the danger: people see trans women represented by these horrors and think this is what trans women are. It isn't. Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I'm not policing people's thoughts, but personally I accept there are genuine trans people and whether I believe they've turned into the opposite sex or not I accept them as that.

I don't ever believe that men who assault or rape women are actually women. Ever.

This is the danger: people see trans women represented by these horrors and think this is what trans women are. It isn't.

I don't think that's what all transwoman are like; neither do I think that all men are like Wayne Couzens. But some are. And there is the problem.

But there's a contradiction here, isn't there? The message I've heard is that you are trans if you say you are - no exceptions.

So if Isla or Scarlet say they're Trans, who are we to say they aren't? There is no criteria, that I have seen, that can be applied that negates their status.

I don't ever believe that men who assault or rape women are actually women. Ever

Trans people are just as likely to do good and bad as any other group of people. Males retain male patterns of offending.

Missed the poll but YANBU

Precisely. Its ridiculous to try to pretend that a male with a TQ+ identity who does something abhorrent is suddenly not really TQ+, or that we mustn't notice male people with TQ+ identities when one of them does something abhorrent because it apparently risks people believing that all male people with TQ+ identities are criminals.

This is a population of males, with the same offending rates as males, and in terms of prison population the facts have to be faced that a higher rate of male prisoners with TQ+ identities are sex offenders. It's a fact; that this causes difficult feelings makes no difference. And these cases, and males with TQ+ identities appearing in the press for awful crimes, are not rare and unusual, there's several a year at the moment and those are just the ones severe enough to get into the national press and be well known.

It is what it is, but it means that women should not be forced to pretend that these crimes have been committed by a typical female as opposed to a male with a TQ+ identity, and that safeguarding for women and the gatekeeping of their spaces should not be relaxed to admit male people with TQ+ identities. Additional facilities will be needed to extend the range of provisions to meet the needs of all men. Prisons, hospital wards, toilets and changing rooms, refuges. And yes, I'm sure it's upsetting to a male with a TQ+ identity that he cannot have free access to women's spaces because of Katie D, Isla B, Scarlet B, Karen W, yada yada yada, but the answer is to sort out the sex offending and behaviour to women in his sex class. Not wail at women to just take the risks and assaults for his sake.

It's not a contradiction from me. I don't believe my trans friends have suddenly magically become the opposite sex but I accept them as it because I know they're good decent normal people who wouldn't do this out of some sick desire.

I don't accept those who assault and abuse women as women because I don't think they are "transitioning" for anything other than sick desire/mysoginy.

They are, but those who assault women are almost always men.
And when it comes to using the penis they are always men. Without exception.

Exactly. So people with penises, such as this person, should be described as men and sent to male prisons when they comit crime and be counted in male crime statistics, not women's ones.

It's not a contradiction from me. I don't believe my trans friends have suddenly magically become the opposite sex but I accept them as it because I know they're good decent normal people who wouldn't do this out of some sick desire

You might. But a) I don't know your friends and I don't know whether they are a threat to me when I come into contact with them and b) I don't want to share female spaces with any males, however lovely.

As a criteria, 'what LittleCharlotte believes to be the case' can, by definition, only apply to your behaviour though.

It is not sufficient criteria to inform the behaviour of others. It is definitely not sufficient criteria for legal rights.

So absolutely fine if you want to affirm the fantasies of your friends, but that doesn't mean anyone else should be compelled to, or they should have rights to women's spaces. I'm not sure if you agree with that or not 🤷‍♀️

Good decent normal people don't take other people's stuff.

I don't think Bryson was trans.
The problem is that you don't get to decide that she isn't trans but your nice friends are trans.

Anyone who thinks "being a woman" can be anything other than "being an adult human female" is, to some degree, a misogynist.

The misogyny and over-stepping women's boundaries and using women's spaces and women themselves for selfish purposes is absolutely baked in to basic concept of trans identification for males. (It's different the other way around because if the imbalance between the sexes).

Men are men. Anyone born with a penis is a man. Transwomen are men.

This is the only logical position.

Exactly. I'm in agreement with India Willoughby here. Scarlet is absolutely trans, the fact he's a sadistic murderer doesn't change that. 'Trans' isn't a badge given out for good behaviour. It's not a moral judgement. It's just a description of how someone wishes to identify.

Well, just so you know that your personal belief is considered just as ‘anti-trans’ as disbelieving anyone is trans.

As people have pointed out though, male people with trans identities should be considered to be at least the same risk that all other male people in the UK of committing sex crimes. Unfortunately, your personal belief doesn’t even come into it.

In fact, whether a male in the UK is ‘trans’ or not has made no reduction in the statistics surrounding ‘trans’ people committing sex crime vs all other male people. It can be said that ‘trans’ may be irrelevant when it comes to assessing the risk level from a safeguarding view.

The base of being a ‘male’ person is still the reliable indicator.

Your personal delineation of who is and is not ‘trans’ doesn’t reflect the material reality.

The only criteria of being trans is to say you are trans. There's no external checking of gender identities or even any criteria whatsoever that makes you one gender identity or another.
TRAs argue that gender dysphoria isn't required to be trans.
These are the people that can't name one difference between a man and a woman. It's all about abstract words now.

Considering there are teens on tik tok claiming they are trans because it is a lifestyle choice for them, and since the support groups lobbied successfully to remove any diagnosis needed for treatment, the trans community has to accept the full result of their mantra ‘anyone who says they are trans is trans’. They have drummed it into workplace training, schools, medicine, to governments and the like. They cannot now claim there are any exceptions.

This is the danger: people see trans women represented by these horrors and think this is what trans women are.

That isn't the 'danger' at all. You're just jumping on the bandwagon, and belittling/insulting women's intelligence, by asserting it is.
The plethora of issues and concerns women have (and how the media, the law and some sections of society approach those concerns) are widely and succinctly well noted, you should consider reading up sometime and informing yourself.
Just this week we've had examples of the media giving greater respect to the 'rights' of an animal torturing muderer than to a woman (JK Rowling in this instance) who dared to ask the media why they were spreading misinformation. THAT is the danger.