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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

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ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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DuesToTheDirt · 26/02/2024 23:38

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/02/2024 23:14

"All she had to do was keep her mouth shut, but oh no she just keeps tripling it down"

Why would she want to keep her mouth shut? Confused

www.reddit.com/r/saltierthankrayt/s/OUaXw0wX0J

Who are these morons who hang out on Reddit? Do they actually believe their tripe or are they all trolls?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/02/2024 00:48

Who are these morons who hang out on Reddit? Do they actually believe their tripe or are they all trolls?

It's a major MRA and TRA (same thing I know) echo chamber.

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ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 07:07

ManwholikesBeer · 26/02/2024 21:15

It is! I also think it makes a very difficult topic about gender identity even more philisophicaly difficult. It was a savage act of brutality carried out by a deeply troubled individual.

How is it difficult? He's a bloke. A murderous lying bloke with paraphilias. It's quite straightforward.

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Hereyoume · 27/02/2024 08:27

So, are they being sent to a women's prison?

CousinGreg55 · 27/02/2024 08:37

Hereyoume · 27/02/2024 08:27

So, are they being sent to a women's prison?

No a men's prison

Lalgarh · 27/02/2024 09:01

By the way. Posting this here (thread diversion sorry) consultation on sentencing on domestic murders ends 4th march.

https://www.itv.com/news/2024-02-22/julie-etchingham-looks-at-how-the-government-are-tackling-violence-against-women

See the (edited. Mumsnet) thread too

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5013577-consultation-on-murder-sentencing-deadline-4th-march?reply=133241241

WandaWomblesaurus · 27/02/2024 09:04

The Metro have spoken.

To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.
WandaWomblesaurus · 27/02/2024 09:07

"JK Rowling has sadly opened her mouth again."

It's amazing how the press is behaving exactly like a domestic abuser

This cat killing pervert is a MAN

pickledandpuzzled · 27/02/2024 09:21

Can we call him the Kicks Killer pervert rather than cat killer, which rather glosses over Jorge?

Chersfrozenface · 27/02/2024 09:22

WandaWomblesaurus · 27/02/2024 09:04

The Metro have spoken.

The page no longer exists.

Unfortunately for the Metro, there are screenshots.

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 09:26

Metro front page.

To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.
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tennesseewhiskey1 · 27/02/2024 09:55

To this guy is a bloke and a sick one at that. He will not do well in the male prison he’s being sent to. I don’t feel a little bad for him even.

LittleCharlotte · 27/02/2024 10:57

Like others, I was shocked by these crimes being committed by a woman - and the minute I saw "Scarlet" I realised it wasn't. The worst thing I've heard a woman doing to a cat was throwing it in the bin.

Whoever said that Jorge wouldn't have gone to the river with a man was spot on. Also a big part of the defence was that Scarlet couldn't have overpowered the poor sod. Scarlet is biologically a man, no matter how he identifies. Ultimately, it's that that matters.

I believe that genuine trans people exist. I have one in my family (although I think decent therapy & support with autism would have helped a lot more than transitioning, given that nothing has changed in her life apart from the obvious). I have trans friends. I have no problem accepting them as having transitioned. But if they committed crimes - these would STILL be crimes of their biological sex.

I have written to the police force investigating this horror and asked them if "Scarlet"'s case has been recorded as a male or female crime.

For @Erin394 - I am genuinely sorry you were treated the way you were as a child. I remember my brother playing with my Barbies, and my parents taking no issue with it. It's how it should be. Men can wear make up if they want, and more should if they so wish. Gender stereotypes should be disrupted - but not by just assuming you must be born in the wrong body. That's anything but disrupting them (cf: "non binary" - "I'm not like other boys/girls" - yes you ARE, you just have your own way of doing things, and that's fine, but it doesn't stop you being a man/woman).

For the record though I've never painted my mouth to make it resemble my vulva (the vagina is internal. The vulva's the bit you see). I've painted my mouth because I love make up and colour. That's all.

Interestingly, the only person who I've ever heard that from - the "lipstick to make your lips look like your fanny" claptrap - was a man. Go figure.

ManwholikesBeer · 27/02/2024 11:05

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 07:07

How is it difficult? He's a bloke. A murderous lying bloke with paraphilias. It's quite straightforward.

The fact that this conversation has been is happening makes the crime atypical,
And by and large I agree with you as any sane person would, but like it or not the trans genie is out of the box and this persons behavoiur is an abboration how ever they imagine them selfs
Getting hung up on how this individual identifies, does not bring anything to the table as far as the crime is concerned, but it does make the politics around the trans debate more fibrile. I know a few trans poeple who just want to exist as unobviously as possible.
(I am dyslexic so please excuse my grammer and Spelling)

LittleCharlotte · 27/02/2024 11:25

ManwholikesBeer · 27/02/2024 11:05

The fact that this conversation has been is happening makes the crime atypical,
And by and large I agree with you as any sane person would, but like it or not the trans genie is out of the box and this persons behavoiur is an abboration how ever they imagine them selfs
Getting hung up on how this individual identifies, does not bring anything to the table as far as the crime is concerned, but it does make the politics around the trans debate more fibrile. I know a few trans poeple who just want to exist as unobviously as possible.
(I am dyslexic so please excuse my grammer and Spelling)

It brings a lot to the table if this is registered as a crime committed by a woman. It is not a crime committed by a woman. It is a crime committed by a man who claims to be a woman. This is not the same thing.

That is why people are "hung up" on how this individual identifies. This is an abhorrent crime to say the least; but it is sadly not atypical of male crimes. It IS atypical of female crimes.

SomeCatFromJapan · 27/02/2024 11:40

The fact that this conversation has been is happening makes the crime atypical

A violent man committing a murder is far, far from atypical.

ArabellaScott · 27/02/2024 11:51

ManwholikesBeer · 27/02/2024 11:05

The fact that this conversation has been is happening makes the crime atypical,
And by and large I agree with you as any sane person would, but like it or not the trans genie is out of the box and this persons behavoiur is an abboration how ever they imagine them selfs
Getting hung up on how this individual identifies, does not bring anything to the table as far as the crime is concerned, but it does make the politics around the trans debate more fibrile. I know a few trans poeple who just want to exist as unobviously as possible.
(I am dyslexic so please excuse my grammer and Spelling)

The conversation is happening because the media, police, and judiciary would have us believe that women, who are overwhelmingly the victims of violence and vanishingly rarely the perpetrators of murder, especially sexually motivated sadistic murders.

It matters because 1. this obfuscation has led to violent rapists and murderers being accommodated in women's prisons, locked up with women, and 2. because data and statistics are compromised and rendered useless when male crimes are recorded as female and 3. because it affects public faith in the media, police and judiciary, and 4. it affects how society views, discusses and judges violent crime, including risk assessment, leading to potentially more risk and less safeguarding.

I would also say it is unbelievably fucking enraging for women to be told that 'women are just as bad as men, look at Scarlet Blake' when we are trying to clarify the reasons that women as a class need in some situations to have single sex spaces.

This is not about 'trans'. It's about male and female. Gender identity is really an irrelevant distraction.

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BobbyBiscuits · 27/02/2024 12:00

It seems weird the narrative was always they were female. Not a trans-woman, just woman. It took me a while to realise they were trans.
It should have been made more clear they are trans-woman. They are being held in a male jail, which is good. But yeah, I agree it seems weird and wrong. Other trans murderers have been referred to as men or at least trans.

Winter2020 · 27/02/2024 12:44

It is crazy how the articles can be "woman" this and "woman" that when referring to Scarlett but Scarlett is going to a men's prison because - when it comes down to it "she" is actually a man. Always has been, always will be.

There is no denying the biological fact (that Scarlett is a man) so despite all the inaccurate language when allocating the prison they have to remember they are allocating the type of "woman" that is a man.

I agree that the articles leave people confused whether Scalett is a woman - or if people spot the trans sentences they could equally think Scarlett was born a woman and transitioned to be a man.

pickledandpuzzled · 27/02/2024 12:51

LittleCharlotte · 27/02/2024 10:57

Like others, I was shocked by these crimes being committed by a woman - and the minute I saw "Scarlet" I realised it wasn't. The worst thing I've heard a woman doing to a cat was throwing it in the bin.

Whoever said that Jorge wouldn't have gone to the river with a man was spot on. Also a big part of the defence was that Scarlet couldn't have overpowered the poor sod. Scarlet is biologically a man, no matter how he identifies. Ultimately, it's that that matters.

I believe that genuine trans people exist. I have one in my family (although I think decent therapy & support with autism would have helped a lot more than transitioning, given that nothing has changed in her life apart from the obvious). I have trans friends. I have no problem accepting them as having transitioned. But if they committed crimes - these would STILL be crimes of their biological sex.

I have written to the police force investigating this horror and asked them if "Scarlet"'s case has been recorded as a male or female crime.

For @Erin394 - I am genuinely sorry you were treated the way you were as a child. I remember my brother playing with my Barbies, and my parents taking no issue with it. It's how it should be. Men can wear make up if they want, and more should if they so wish. Gender stereotypes should be disrupted - but not by just assuming you must be born in the wrong body. That's anything but disrupting them (cf: "non binary" - "I'm not like other boys/girls" - yes you ARE, you just have your own way of doing things, and that's fine, but it doesn't stop you being a man/woman).

For the record though I've never painted my mouth to make it resemble my vulva (the vagina is internal. The vulva's the bit you see). I've painted my mouth because I love make up and colour. That's all.

Interestingly, the only person who I've ever heard that from - the "lipstick to make your lips look like your fanny" claptrap - was a man. Go figure.

Edited

Jorge would have been in no doubt Scarlett was male. The PP was suggesting a woman would not have gone to the dark, isolated river place with jorge.

kerstina · 27/02/2024 13:24

I heard the news the other day and took it at face value it was a woman.i remember thinking that’s a very unusual case for a women to do that especially with the cat. I didn’t catch that she was a he until later on that day. Whatever sex the person is evil.

LittleCharlotte · 27/02/2024 13:37

pickledandpuzzled · 27/02/2024 12:51

Jorge would have been in no doubt Scarlett was male. The PP was suggesting a woman would not have gone to the dark, isolated river place with jorge.

Thanks for clarifying.

Davros · 27/02/2024 13:51

tennesseewhiskey1 · 27/02/2024 09:55

To this guy is a bloke and a sick one at that. He will not do well in the male prison he’s being sent to. I don’t feel a little bad for him even.

He will be fine. He's a big geezer