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To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.

795 replies

ArabellaScott · 23/02/2024 15:42

Scarlet Blake has been found guilty of murder. He also tortured and killed a cat.

He is not a woman.

This shouldn't be reported as a woman's crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

Scarlet Blake

Cat killer Scarlet Blake found guilty of murdering Jorge Martin Carreno

Jorge Martin Carreno was pulled from a river after being killed by Scarlet Blake in 2021.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68360122

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SD67 · 26/03/2024 09:59

RealFeminist · 25/03/2024 17:14

SOME AE US HUV GOT BIG HAUNS

So have some of them

LittleCharlotte · 08/04/2024 23:11

Haven't had a response yet either, beyond being asked to clarify what I meant about whether the crime would be registered as by a man or a woman.

Panicmode1 · 09/04/2024 06:49

LittleCharlotte · 08/04/2024 23:11

Haven't had a response yet either, beyond being asked to clarify what I meant about whether the crime would be registered as by a man or a woman.

I'm still waiting for my Stage 2 response too.....

LittleCharlotte · 25/04/2024 10:01

I've had a response.
They've recorded the gender not the sex in line with the Equalities Act. So, believe it or not, this crime is down as being committed by a woman.
You could not make it up.

ArabellaScott · 25/04/2024 10:47

If anyone has had a response to their Stage 2 complaint and is unhappy with it, that means you can then take it up with Ofcom.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/advice-for-consumers/how-ofcom-deals-with-bbc-complaints

Actually rereading that, I wonder if one really has to go through the pointless process of stages 1a, 1b and 2. Surely if one is unhappy with the first response, one can then go to Ofcom? Anyone know?

'You should make any complaint about online material to the BBC first. But if you are not satisfied with how your complaint has been resolved by the BBC, you can seek an independent opinion on it from Ofcom.
We can consider your complaint, and the BBC’s response to it, if it is about content on the BBC website and apps. This includes written text, images, video and audio content. It does not include social media, Bitesize, BBC material on third-party websites and World Service content.
If your complaint is about something you have seen or heard on BBC iPlayer – where programmes must comply with our Broadcasting Code – please use our complaints form.
We assess all BBC online material complaints we receive. Where we think a complaint raises a significant issue which should be considered further, we can provide an opinion on whether the BBC has observed its editorial guidelines in the online material. Our opinion, including any recommendations, will be sent to the BBC and published on Ofcom’s website. The BBC will take account of Ofcom’s opinions, and will decide whether further action is appropriate.'

How Ofcom deals with BBC TV, radio and on demand complaints

Other than in exceptional circumstances, Ofcom can only consider your complaint if you’ve already complained to the BBC first.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/advice-for-consumers/how-ofcom-deals-with-bbc-complaints

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Panicmode1 · 25/04/2024 10:49

Ofcom seem to be captured though, so even though I haven't had my response yet, I'm not convinced taking it to them would help.....

Panicmode1 · 25/04/2024 10:51

Attached is Ofcom's response to Baroness Nicholson'a letter on the reporting....

To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.
Panicmode1 · 25/04/2024 10:52

Sorry for typos and poor quality screen grab (am at work 🤫)..you can find it on X...

ArabellaScott · 25/04/2024 10:59

Thanks. That's that, then.

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pickledandpuzzled · 25/04/2024 11:54

LittleCharlotte · 25/04/2024 10:01

I've had a response.
They've recorded the gender not the sex in line with the Equalities Act. So, believe it or not, this crime is down as being committed by a woman.
You could not make it up.

Sorry, who is ‘they’ in this instance?

I see ofcom are content to call a sadistic male murder ‘she’.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2024 11:57

Panicmode1 · 25/04/2024 10:51

Attached is Ofcom's response to Baroness Nicholson'a letter on the reporting....

Gender is not a protected characteristic.

Sex is.

Chersfrozenface · 25/04/2024 12:01

LittleCharlotte · 25/04/2024 10:01

I've had a response.
They've recorded the gender not the sex in line with the Equalities Act. So, believe it or not, this crime is down as being committed by a woman.
You could not make it up.

Gender isn't a protected characteristic in the Equality Act 2010 (not Equalities Act).

Sex and gender reassignment are. To have even a shred of an excuse for calling Scarlet Blake "she" and "a woman", all involved would need proof that Blake had the legal sex of female.

Panicmode1 · 25/04/2024 12:11

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 25/04/2024 11:57

Gender is not a protected characteristic.

Sex is.

We all know that, but it seems 100s of our institutions have been Stonewalled. I therefore was making the point that a complaint to Ofcom, isn't going to make a jot of difference....

Abitofalark · 25/04/2024 17:42

To the question 'Can you complain to Ofcom without first going through the BBC's bureaucratic complaint stages?'

Here is a relevant extract from Ofcom's guidance about complaining to Ofcom:

"Complain about the BBC
You must complain directly to the BBC first and reach the end of the BBC’s complaints process.Ofcom can only consider your complaint if you’ve already complained to the BBC, or in exceptional circumstances.

Complain to the BBC

Complain about another channel or station

Escalate to Ofcom

Have you completed all stages of the BBC’s complaints process, including receiving a response from the BBC’s Executive Complaints Unit (‘ECU’)?

  • Yes (you will need your BBC complaint reference number and your final response from the BBC)
    *No, because I have exceptional circumstances"

*= tick box
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I don't know what exceptional circumstances would be. Probably being an 'important' person or organisation or about an 'important' subject - which would not be about women or their rights or dignity, clearly. You could try it and see what happens if you tick the NO box and complain.

What is the legal or regulatory status of the Ofcom guidance? I don't know - although it's fair to say it's not unusual with complaints procedures to require a complainant to raise it with the complained about first, such as for example when going to an ombudsman or the solicitors' regulator. But I regard the BBC's procedure (farmed out to Capita, before it reaches the ECU) as bureaucratic and obstructive torture, designed to put people off complaining. And if you do complain, they usually don't answer the actual question you raised but rely heavily on a standard form of words which is a generic line to take - and in essence means that they are right and you are wrong.

Winter2020 · 25/04/2024 22:56

That Ofcom letter is so infuriating.
Basically saying who gives a toss if this person's a man or a woman - they are in prison.
I give a toss if a man's crime is blamed on women!!

ArabellaScott · 26/04/2024 06:22

'2.8 Ofcom is accountable to Parliament. The Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport is the responsible Minister,'

I think we need to raise the BBC and Ofcom's capture with the Minister.

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ArabellaScott · 26/04/2024 06:24

https://members.parliament.uk/member/4517/contact

Minister is Lucy Frazer.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/04/2024 09:17

Yes good idea.

LittleCharlotte · 26/04/2024 12:14

pickledandpuzzled · 25/04/2024 11:54

Sorry, who is ‘they’ in this instance?

I see ofcom are content to call a sadistic male murder ‘she’.

Sorry, I'm confusing the issue. My response was from the police force. I'll be contacting my MP too.

Panicmode1 · 30/04/2024 17:42

Just had the attached...so still no Stage 2 response!

To be angry that Scarlet Blake is being called a woman.
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