To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

If, like me, you feel politically homeless, please don't just stay at home, which just makes it look like apathy, rather than principle.
Women fought hard to get the vote, many suffered assaults and cruel treatment, some died.
If you can't bring yourself to vote for any of the bastards, then please go anyway and spoil your ballot paper.
They count the number of spoilt votes - and if they are significantly increased, this is a clear message to politicians about the lack of faith in them and their shameful policies.
Write “respect my sex if you want my X” or “save our NHS” on your paper as well, if you want. Someone will read it.

You mean unless you are a 'Labour woman', such as myself, or such as Rosie Duffield, or any of the other Labour councillors or CLP members who have been reprimanded or expelled for wrong think?

There are men in the Labour party who have openly threatened women or who have attended rallies where they have been seen to shout abuse at women. I was at an event outside of the Labour party conference in September - and witnessed this myself

Lets have a quiz!

Which party has a plan to stop males entering any woman's space? (Clue: you will struggle to find one)

Which party has a plan to strengthen the GRA, and protect single sex spaces for biological women only? (Clue: not the one you would think if you believed the thread title)

And for bonus points, which party has no form of plan whatsoever despite wanging on about it and having the majority to do whatever they want? (Clue: its the same party with an inability to do anything useful)

How did everyone do?

You think misogynistic men are a Labour problem? Did you read the thread I linked?

Interesting view for a feminist anyway...

How many women harmed by males who are in women's single sex spaces are enough for you Iclaudine?

The point I was making has clearly flown several miles above your head. I give up.

It's about how they identify, not about how I identify them so stop clutching your pearls.

Yet more misogynistic language towards women who are saying that men are not ever women and we want Labour to be part of the solution here.

I don't want to have to be reduced to body parts because the Labour Party thinks some men are women.

It shouldn't be too much to ask for the Labour Party to see women as fully human.

I was a member/supporter of a group of women who were invited by Liverpool City Council to attend a full council meeting, a number of years ago. The Labour group had proposed a motion that going forward all council owned buildings would be built with only 'gender neutral' toilets. This was passed without consulting any women at all.

The woman who had been invited to speak to the assembled council on behalf of women - was screamed at and abused by the Labour Mayor, whilst the rest of the chamber rose to its feet to applaud this abuse. The second in charge - a woman who spends all of her time wanging on about 'working class' and 'women' actually left the chamber so that she did not have to listen to the speech we were invited to give.

So much of the Labour party is now captured by identity politics and by commitment to certain post modernistic dogmas - that they bear no resemblance to the Labour party of old. That is why they alienate so many of their old voters.

No it hasn't.

I wonder why you don't care about women impacted by men in single sex spaces.

It would be lovely if the Labour Party could commit to protecting all women from harms from men.

As it is they won't and women are being harmed by the fact that single sex spaces no longer exist, even in services where the need is obvious.

If you banned all genuine trans women from women's loos, it still wouldn't stop predatory men accessing them. Predatory men don't need to go to the trouble of pretending to be trans.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/west-midlands/news/man-given-extended-sentence-raping-woman-inside-mcdonalds-toilet

I'm stuck with Ashley Dalton. I wish she spent more time looking after her constituents and the problems we face in deprived Skelmersdale, where we have a lot of gang crime, poverty, murders, drugs.
Instead, her social media is full of trans stuff or campaigns elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/AshleyDalton_MP/status/1747998489500631408?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
45mins to wait for my train. What to do? I know, I’ll go on hold with @edfenergy that’ll take at least half an hour. Been trying to set up an account since September. Still trying

This was a recent tweet from her. What am I supposed to think about her ability to represent me locally if she can't even sort herself out? This is what's she's paid for, tweeting about her energy account? She relies on Skelmersdale votes for her safe seat.

Try doing some real constituency work Ashley. Why should I vote for her, she's done sod all for us. Rosie Cooper, her predecessor, is very much missed around here.

Which party has a plan to stop males entering any woman's space? (Clue: you will struggle to find one)

Easy Kemi Badenoch has committed to making amendments to the Equality Act to address this issue.

As for addressing the GRA, potentially this won't be required if the Equ A is tightened so that Single Sex excludes legal males.

But yet again you are focusing on the wrong thing.

I am asking what the Labour Party will do. If they want my vote THEY must earn it.

When did I mention loos?

I'm talking about rape crisis and prisons!

This thread is depressing.

So many Labour supporters will blindly throw away women's rights rather than ask more from the Labour Party.

Women and children deserve better.

Kemi Badenoch is not in charge. She has made fuck all progress on it in a year. And please point me to a Conservative policy statement showing this is their position and not a Badenoch hot air exercise.

How can you tell a 'genuine' trans identified person from another -especially when you have self ID?

TW are all male by definition.

The way it could work is to create third spaces and services for those that don't feel comfortable with the facilities for their own sex. Some new buildings already have this kind of facility.

Good men know to keep well away from women's facilities and would never dream of infringing boundaries in this way, and this has always been the case. We've never had to police toilets before because social norms dictate that single sex means single sex.

A GRC was never meant to be an access ticket to women's spaces, it was created before the gay marriage equality act - in order to allow men to marry other men.

At least the yanbu is majority, most agree with you

Please define a genuine trans women.

That's true.

It's hard not to despair sometimes though.

The Labour Party have as a matter of policy said they will update the GRA and strengthen the EA, plus provide better legal guidance to organisations to protect single sex spaces. You just don't believe them, which is a completely different thing.

Conversely the Tories have precisely no policy yet lots of you are completely happy to vote for them on the basis of wishful thinking.

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Remain was the majority on here until Brexit happened 🤔

They have not said they will remove 'legal women' otherwise known as men from ALL single sex spaces.

They could do that, why don't they?

I know but your posts are good and appreciated don’t worry

I am interested in this one though

Please define a genuine trans women.

Reverting to a sort of 'feminist one upwomanship' is no substitute for discussion.

This thread is about why women might not be willing to vote Labour. We are talking about the Labour party.

It's a thread on AIBU. The whole purpose of the board is to debate the question Good luck thread policing though

Why has the Labour party not come up with the very obvious solution which is. 'third spaces, services and sporting categories ( sporting bodies are now actually a bit ahead of the game in starting to do this).

If the concern is genuinely dignity, privacy and fairness for all this has always been the obvious solution. Why are we still having to debate whether or not men should be permitted into women's spaces?

Many of us suspect, quite rightly, that the reason for this is because this is an ideological act of colonisation and imposition rather than about practical solutions that balance all rights.