To not vote Labour because of their abhorrent views on the female sex?

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Starmer cannot represent women, he can’t even define us. Questioning a trans person is a hate crime, but misogyny is not. Sorry Labour, you’ve lost my vote. Have they lost anyone else’s??

‘On trans ideology, the vast majority of voters, and certainly a majority of traditional Labour voters from working class backgrounds, tend to cast a sceptical eye on the tenets of an ideological movement that asserts that biological men must be accepted as women – and be offered similar rights and access to women’s spaces and sports as women – simply by asserting their new status’

We are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it. We will protect and uphold it in government, including both its protected characteristics and its provision for single-sex exemptions. We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.

Define Single Sex Exemptions when the GRA introduced by Labour makes some men legal females (it says so on their birth certificate!), by virtue of a legal fiction introduced by the Labour Party in 2004.

Unless and until any party removes the right for some men to be legally female single sex spaces means nothing and nor do the exemptions under the Act.

The Labour Party is fudging the issue.

I think unfortunately you might have backfired by underestimating how little KJK fans care about rampant islamophobia

They hope we'll just shut the fuck up and vote for them anyway.

A lot of us will because we’re pragmatists.

Hopefully the Labour Party as I always have done.

I want them to do the right thing here.

I want Starmer to be unequivocal that single sex spaces will not include men who are legal women by virtue of the GRA.

I want Starmer to confirm he will follow the recommendations of the Cass Report.

If he can do these things then I will vote Labour. I remain hopeful.

@lifeturnsonadime you’re right

The Labour Party is fudging the issue.

No they're not. Stop being paranoid. Time to focus on bigger issues that actually impact the lives of most women.

How can you know which issues impact women when women means woman plus any bloke who gets a certificate?

This is the biggest issue for women.

That you refuse to take it seriously is up to you.

They won't get my vote.

Here come the screechy girls...I'm off to do some work. 👋

Then rather than shouting about Labour's perfornance on anti- Labour threads on here you'd be better joining the party and influencing it from the inside. That would be a much more likely way to get the outcome you seek.

You really should reign in your sexism dear.

I was a member. They don't want women like me, they said so.

I will vote labour because they are not the tories.

Rape is effectively decriminalised, which means rapists can rape with impunity.
In my opinion this represents of the biggest issues facing women in the UK today (violence against women and girls).

It doesn't matter how rapists identify, they are all "people with penises" aka men.

It doesn't matter how victims identify, the majority of victims are "people with vaginas" aka women.

Only one party has a plan for dealing with VAWG, which will benefit all women, regardless of if they identify as trans men or non binary.

I'd rather vote for action than words.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4936387-to-think-the-tory-party-need-to-protect-women-from-the

Does anyone have any stats on how many trans women have raped or killed women in the UK? How does this compare to the number of women raped or killed by the police?

Trans women are not our enemy. Predatory men are. And yes, I know that some predatory men pretend to be trans to access women, but that is not the fault of trans women.

What do you mean by 'women'?

One of the issues is that is that if you are not able to distinguish between a male person and female person, or are not allowed to in law ( in certain types of circumstance) then all women at some point will feel the consequences.

And at a more profound and longer lasting level than the temporal rise and fall of interest rates and funding of the NHS, the word' woman' will become essentially meaningless and as such women as a distinct group of human being with their own specific requirements and needs will erased. We are already seeing this as words relating to women and their bodies are removed or replaced.

Your children will be expected to call their male teacher 'Miss' even though they know full well he is a man. The personal and psychological needs of teachers will be made paramount over the welfare of children. I've knowledge of this happening in a school my daughter taught in as a trainee teacher. His very presence as a demanding trans identified person meant that his needs were expected to come first, and girls could be reprimanded for questioning any of it.

How lovely that because we can't define women as being adult human females we are now referred to people with vaginas!

That's really offensive and dehumanising.

No thank you. We are women. Men, even those with certificates, are not women.

Oh give over! You think Snow's post is the one showing the judgement? Look at your own words first.

You need to work on your reading comprehension.

How many women harmed by males who are in women's single sex spaces are enough for you Iclaudine?

Women should not ever be collateral damage to these men.

There are women in this country who cannot access single sex rape crisis support.

That's horrific.

Misogynistic much

The issue of males in women's spaces in not just about overt physical violence or rape ( although I'm sure someone will be able to provide you with some figures, even though it is now made more difficult because crimes, including sexual crimes committed by men who identify as women are being recorded as having been committed by a woman) it is about the dignity and privacy of one's sex in certain types of intimate physical situation - and not being forced to be a walk in part in someone's private sexual fantasy.

Men ( including, especially trans identified males) are very much over-represented in certain types of fetishistic act - such as cross dressing, flashing, heavy breathing phone calls, voyeurism and so on. If you want to understand more about what autogynehilia comprises there was a good interview at the weekend ( in the Times) with trans identified 'Debbie Hayton' who knows he remains a man but reveals quite clearly the sexual drive and impulses behind transition for many/most males.

What is a 'genuine' trans person and how do they differ from a non genuine trans person? You seem to assume a trans identity immediately renders someone harmless. And with Self Id - which is what Labour want - anyone can identify and get a GRC.

The U.S is a total shit show when it comes to males in women's facilities and sports ( Try looking at Reduxx -they complie stories and stats)

It's about how they identify, not about how I identify them so stop clutching your pearls.

The point is a plan to reduce violence against women and girls is a benefit to women.

Labour have a tangible plan while the tories have zip, zilch, zero. I would like to raise awareness that Labour will benefit women despite what the Tories and anti Labour posters say. It's too important to keep quiet and risk another 5 years of the status quo.

How can you tell the difference between a bad man pretending to be a woman to gain access to what used to be single sex spaces.
And a good man pretending to be a woman to gain access to what used to be single sex spaces.
Any biological male in single sex spaces is a threat to women.