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To think best friend's comments about her job vs my kids are rude?

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pregnantbestie · 01/02/2024 21:31

One of my closest friends is trying to compete with me non-stop and humble brag with any excuse. We’ve been best friends since primary school (now 28) and I don’t want to lose her as a friend but I’m struggling with the constant attempts to compete. How do I address it without sounding btchy?

We did quite similar degrees and started out having similar careers (her in finance, me in law) but I realised that the corporate world and working 12hr days wasn’t for me, my boyfriend proposed around the same time and we decided to start a family with me being a SAHM. I love it, it’s the happiest I’ve been. No plans of going back to work, at least not until my youngest is close to secondary school. Financially we’re fine: we’re lucky enough to have both sets of parents helping out with costs like house deposit, nursery furniture etc and my husband earns just over 100K.

Meanwhile my friend loves the high paced environment, gets a buzz from the promotions and high pay, takes pride in her career in a male dominated field. I’m super happy for her, very proud of her and have always supported her. She is, however, someone who relies heavily on external validation ie she needs friends and family to say her boyfriend is lovely, how well she’s doing in her career, how nice the things she buys are, and if she doesn’t get that she will outright ask “do you think my boyfriend is nice?” “Do you think 90K at our age is a good salary?” etc. Since I’ve quit my job / got married / had a baby she’s made little comments like “so you’re not bored at home?” or if talking about our day “I’d shoot myself having to go to the playground every day”. I just saw those as passing comments, something not intended with malice, just her pointing out she’s got different preferences. Recently I told her I’m pregnant (first person aside from my mum and husband to know!) shortly after she’d received a promotion she was really after and suddenly the comments intensified: her response was “oh congrats, just when you thought your nappy years are nearly over you’re back in them hahahaha!” or “do you think you’d want to go back to work if you earned 90K though, instead of having a second?” or “does it scare you that you won’t be totally free from kids till your late 40s?” (ie when they move out) or “does it ever make you think what a nice life you’d have if you didn’t have to look after and buy things for kids?” or [shows a watch she bought] “do you wish you’d never had kids, kept earning and now you’d be buying yourself little treats here and there?” or “i think men find it sexy when you’re all dressed up in a dress and heels, in a high paying job, rather than in a dressing gown making purees”. All said in the last 5 days that she’s known about pregnancy (yes we chat a lot).

AIBU to think these comments are off? Or am I just being a hormonal pregnant lady?

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Blahblahblah245 · 01/02/2024 21:34

She sounds jealous, ignore her 😙

MumYourBabyGrewUpToBeACowboy · 01/02/2024 21:35

Nah, that’s a frenemy.

TheaBrandt · 01/02/2024 21:39

God if she’s your “friend” what the hell are your enemies like?

aliatalia2 · 01/02/2024 21:42

She is insecure and therefore puts you down

lazyarse123 · 01/02/2024 21:42

I think I'd feel sorry for her if she thinks it's an achievement in life if men think you're sexy. I'd cool things if I were you you don't have much in common anymore.

AlwaysRain · 01/02/2024 21:43

She sounds to be using smugness and arrogance to cover up a major low self-esteem problem. And BTW no man on earth gives two farts about her job - high paying, low paying, no paying, whatever it is, men don’t care about women’s jobs, at all. What does she think they’re going, “damn, her tits look great in that top and woo she can really bring home the bacon with that high paying job too!” No.

pregnantbestie · 01/02/2024 21:43

I think I'm just sad to let go of a friendship of 20+ years! I don't have anyone as close as she was, we literally grew up as sisters, shared everything, told each other everything. But I guess I have to...

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HalebiHabibti · 01/02/2024 21:45

How would she take it if you said that her comments hurt your feelings?

SisterMichaelsHabit · 01/02/2024 21:45

Some of them sound OK but that last one... Jesus that's uncalled for!

Animatedapple · 01/02/2024 21:46

I feel sad for you but those comments would stay with me and I would find myself losing affection and respect for a friend that made little digs like that. Remember it’s her problem and her insecurity. But it doesn’t make it easier.

Justmuddlingalong · 01/02/2024 21:47

I'd tell her you've both chose different paths in life, you're both happy with those choices, it's not a competition and the snide comments need to stop.
If she can't see your point, let it fade.

orangegato · 01/02/2024 21:47

Tell her the comments are getting to you before just cutting her off. Give her a chance to be mortified and keep her mouth shut!

Ace56 · 01/02/2024 21:50

I think you need to tell her calmly that these little digs are annoying you, and that you’ve made your life choices (which you’re happy with) and she’s made hers. Nothing more to be said about it. Hopefully after that she’ll stop, but if not then time for the slow fade out.

Popcorn23 · 01/02/2024 21:50

The comments sound really unkind - she doesn't sound much like a friend! You see the best in her but I'm not sure many people would tolerate these attempts to put them down.

They also sound deliberate rather than just thoughtless. Is she a little jealous?

goingdownfighting · 01/02/2024 21:52

Sounds like she is trying to convince herself that her choices are valid.

Particularly her asking you if you had a similar job. Screams of 'yeah I'm happy for you but would you still rather be me? Would you? Please tell me you do as I don't think I am happy and how come you're happy? So happy that you're doing it again? And if you aren't free from kids when you're 40 how old will I be if I have kids???'

She's chosen a different path from you and is foolishly comparing herself to you.

Just say 'you're happy aren't you?'

pregnantbestie · 01/02/2024 21:52

@AlwaysRain I know for a fact my husband couldn't care less if I'm working and I know it wouldn't change how attracted he is (yes I know we're lucky that financially we could afford for me to work or not to work and yes I appreciate he'd mind if we struggled to make ends meet).

I guess it was framed as her "advice" because she came over to congratulate me the day I told her about pregnancy, my husband was due to get home from work and I was there in a dressing gown, cleaning up a small spillage my 2 year old made, no make up as I was feeling sick (and felt like mascara running down my face as I vom wouldn't be a great look so why bother putting it on) and I guess she was suggesting it's not as appealing to get home to vs coming in with hair bouncing, after a day at her high paying job.

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BingoMarieHeeler · 01/02/2024 21:56

Well you know what you can say to her when she’s surrounded by nappies and purees aged 40! (Or struggling TTC…)

(Obviously you wouldn’t stoop to her level though as she is UNREASONABLE)

HalebiHabibti · 01/02/2024 21:58

Maybe "Friend, we made different choices in life. I'm happy with mine, even if it is a pain in the bum right now, and I'm sure you're happy with yours. Please stop trying to get me to say your life is better than mine full stop, because that's obviously what you're getting at."

Justmuddlingalong · 01/02/2024 21:59

Have you had any conversations about her life plans, her future with her boyfriend, wanting or not wanting kids?

Heronwatcher · 01/02/2024 22:00

Look, she sounds jealous. She’s probably having a massive crisis. Not that this excuses it, but surely you can understand. I’d keep my distance for a bit, not end the friendship but don’t confide in her about kid stuff etc. She’s not the person for that. She may well be someone who has a child a bit later in life, chances are she’ll change anyway, so just give her a bit of time.

CountryGirl89 · 01/02/2024 22:02

YANBU, as career driven high earning woman myself she's being very rude.
I often find that people make such comments to mask their own insecurities and jealousy.
Personally I don't think she enjoys her choices at all. She thinks you have it made no offense but with your high-earning husband and parental contributions. Is she less well-off? Also 28 is difficult odd age IMO, people are aware it's 2 years to 30, biological clock ticking, etc. She sounds unsure of what she really wants. Not all of us can be Amal Clooney.

Regardless of what she personally thinks she shouldn't be making digs at you. If she's such a good friend surely you can point out the snide comments she's been making.

Ghouella · 01/02/2024 22:03

The most sympathetic (not necessarily the most accurate!) interpretation of these comments is that's she's experiencing discomfort because on some level she is questioning whether your life circumstances are better than hers. She wants to investigate the anxiety that is provoked by this unfavourable comparison - so she's fishing for the downsides, for you to say something like "oh yes I feel trapped" or "god I miss sex now that I'm just a frumpy caregiver" (not saying these things are at all true haha).

If you were to confide such things in her, she would feel reassured, that she's doing things right, living the right way. She would get the easiest answer to her difficult question, which is "should I change?" - the east answer to that question is of course always "no".

For whatever reason she doesn't feel able or finds it too uncomfortable to just come out and ask directly "what's it like being a parent / SAHP?". Or to seek your comfort/reassurance more plainly eg "I feel worried I won't ever have a family" (or whatever). So instead she's going about it in this defensive way.

In this favourable interpretation, her questions are not intended to criticise you or you make you feel bad, their purpose is to indirectly explore her own insecurities in a way which feels safe / comfortable. She might be "picking" on you because you feel safe and comfortable to her. But if course, she is not considering your feelings carefully at all. If she is perhaps generally a bit lacking a filter / social skills and/or finds it difficult, embarrassing or uncomfortable to share her feelings, then that would be consistent.

Of course, it might be she's just a bitch but if you value the friendship then before cutting her off I would first let her know how she is making you feel and ask her to stop with these comparisons, or invite her to actually be more frank / honest and just ask you in a more direct and open way what it's like being a parent / SAHP.

For example you could say "that seemed to be an indirect question about what it feels like to have made the decision to give up my career and be a SAHP. I've noticed you do that a lot. If you're curious about it, you can just ask me directly. When you ask me about whether I regret X/Y/Z, I feel as though you are looking down on me and I don't like it"

fonfusedm · 01/02/2024 22:03

It sounds like she’s sounding out her own insecurities/thoughts about her life choices eg maybe she doesn’t know if she wants dc, maybe she thinks she should have them, maybe she’s desperate for a family. Have you told her you find it hurtful?

fonfusedm · 01/02/2024 22:04

@Ghouella you said it much better than me!

Notonthestairs · 01/02/2024 22:04

I'm not sure her motivations matter.

She's being rude & unpleasant - and unless she's thick she could predict how her comments would make you feel.

If you are close I'd say something directly to her each and every time she attempts oneupmanship. Stand your ground.

Otherwise detach and let the relationship drop.

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