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To think best friend's comments about her job vs my kids are rude?

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pregnantbestie · 01/02/2024 21:31

One of my closest friends is trying to compete with me non-stop and humble brag with any excuse. We’ve been best friends since primary school (now 28) and I don’t want to lose her as a friend but I’m struggling with the constant attempts to compete. How do I address it without sounding btchy?

We did quite similar degrees and started out having similar careers (her in finance, me in law) but I realised that the corporate world and working 12hr days wasn’t for me, my boyfriend proposed around the same time and we decided to start a family with me being a SAHM. I love it, it’s the happiest I’ve been. No plans of going back to work, at least not until my youngest is close to secondary school. Financially we’re fine: we’re lucky enough to have both sets of parents helping out with costs like house deposit, nursery furniture etc and my husband earns just over 100K.

Meanwhile my friend loves the high paced environment, gets a buzz from the promotions and high pay, takes pride in her career in a male dominated field. I’m super happy for her, very proud of her and have always supported her. She is, however, someone who relies heavily on external validation ie she needs friends and family to say her boyfriend is lovely, how well she’s doing in her career, how nice the things she buys are, and if she doesn’t get that she will outright ask “do you think my boyfriend is nice?” “Do you think 90K at our age is a good salary?” etc. Since I’ve quit my job / got married / had a baby she’s made little comments like “so you’re not bored at home?” or if talking about our day “I’d shoot myself having to go to the playground every day”. I just saw those as passing comments, something not intended with malice, just her pointing out she’s got different preferences. Recently I told her I’m pregnant (first person aside from my mum and husband to know!) shortly after she’d received a promotion she was really after and suddenly the comments intensified: her response was “oh congrats, just when you thought your nappy years are nearly over you’re back in them hahahaha!” or “do you think you’d want to go back to work if you earned 90K though, instead of having a second?” or “does it scare you that you won’t be totally free from kids till your late 40s?” (ie when they move out) or “does it ever make you think what a nice life you’d have if you didn’t have to look after and buy things for kids?” or [shows a watch she bought] “do you wish you’d never had kids, kept earning and now you’d be buying yourself little treats here and there?” or “i think men find it sexy when you’re all dressed up in a dress and heels, in a high paying job, rather than in a dressing gown making purees”. All said in the last 5 days that she’s known about pregnancy (yes we chat a lot).

AIBU to think these comments are off? Or am I just being a hormonal pregnant lady?

OP posts:
ayegazumba · 01/02/2024 22:05

Slightly different perspective here. I'm 39 with a 3yo and 6mo but at 28 I couldn't have been further away from thinking about children and being a SATM. I think it just seems so alien to her and she doesn't realise what she's saying is hurtful. Also in some ways, rightly or wrongly she knows your career and earning potential could have been high if you'd stayed and simply can't understand why you'd chose to give that up, she probably thinks it's a shame or a waste. Doesn't make it right but what you've chosen is so different to what she would chose that she's probably thinks she's looking out for you.l, reminding you that if you wanted the career and money you could have it too, she doesn't want you to think you're 'stuck' not meeting your potential forever. Like I said it doesn't make it right but I think she just doesn't understand you've made a choice that you're happy with. Maybe just speak to her, tell her you know she doesn't get it but you've made a choice that makes you happy and she's coming across like it's the wrong one but it's the wrong one for her, the right one for you.

SillyMoose · 01/02/2024 22:05

She's very insecure and is desperate for you to be jealous of her.

Plumtop11 · 01/02/2024 22:05

She sound unhappy. I had a 'friend'
Similar and turns out she hated that my situation had changed and was feeling lost herself and got envious of me.

Tagyoureit · 01/02/2024 22:06

I'd call it out!! If she's a decent enough friend, she'd hold her hands up and say yep I've been a dick! If she's upset you've called it out, she's no loss!

fonfusedm · 01/02/2024 22:06

I remember one friend who got quite funny within our group once babies started coming. It took a while but she eventually realised she didn’t want dc but she had to explore that first & that was her way. It doesn’t have to be jealousy, that’s quite a basic motivation.

CountryGirl89 · 01/02/2024 22:08

fonfusedm · 01/02/2024 22:06

I remember one friend who got quite funny within our group once babies started coming. It took a while but she eventually realised she didn’t want dc but she had to explore that first & that was her way. It doesn’t have to be jealousy, that’s quite a basic motivation.

I can understand that attitude if you're the only childfree one within a group. Not with one friend though.
And IMO being infertile makes it much harder, not deciding you don't want children.

IncompleteSenten · 01/02/2024 22:08

Just say everyone's different and I'm living the life that makes me happy. I feel very lucky tbh. Everyone should have what you and I both have - lives we find happy and fulfilling.

barkymcbark · 01/02/2024 22:11

SillyMoose · 01/02/2024 22:05

She's very insecure and is desperate for you to be jealous of her.

This!

But it's no excuse to be rude? Which she is being. If she's a good friend, when you call her out on it she should apologise and be the friend she should be

IDontLikePinaColadas · 01/02/2024 22:12

I’m “that” friend inasmuch as I’ve never wanted children and have always pursued my career, but that’s my personal choice. I would never ever make comments about someone else’s life choices: what she is doing is right up there with people who question my decision not to have children.

My life, my choice

Your life, your choice

Username123343 · 01/02/2024 22:12

As PPs have said, it’s her insecurities around her own choices. Just turn it back in a light hearted way every single time - so she says ‘don’t you feel xyz?’ and you say ‘would you feel xyz?’ or ‘how do you see yourself feeling if xyz?’

So remain engaged in the chat and the relationship but hold a mirror up each time she asks a rude question eg ‘I’m curious why you’re asking, what’s that about?’ rather than being complicit in making her insecurity about you.

Hankunamatata · 01/02/2024 22:14

They wouldn't bother me tbh. She's happy with her life and you are with yours.
Surely comments would only be off if they were hitting a sore point that you don't want to acknowledge?

Ghouella · 01/02/2024 22:16

fonfusedm · 01/02/2024 22:06

I remember one friend who got quite funny within our group once babies started coming. It took a while but she eventually realised she didn’t want dc but she had to explore that first & that was her way. It doesn’t have to be jealousy, that’s quite a basic motivation.

Yes she could be sounding out the question "what if I don't want to have children" as opposed to jealousy as such. It's still a form of insecurity in that I get a sense she is exploring something she is uncertain of in some way.

It is definitely rude and OP should make it clear she wants it to stop and hold that boundary. But if the reasons behind it are more favourable / unintentional then seeing it that way might be able to avoid some unnecessary hurt feelings and preserve what has been a good friendship. And the friend might not be aware either so addressing this directly could help her too.

Of course if she isn't able to respect that boundary then the friendship may not be worth maintaining.

DinaofCloud9 · 01/02/2024 22:16

She's bloody rude.

Seadreamers · 01/02/2024 22:18

I’m inclined to think that people who ramble on and on about other people’s choices are either insecure in their own choices or are jealous of yours.

Friends should build you up and support you, not make constant snide comments. I’d either try and have a chat to her about how her comments make you feel or slowly distance yourself. Sometimes even long-term friendships can run their course.

MCOut · 01/02/2024 22:18

I think it’s a combination of “friend” having low self-esteem and being worried about your choices, especially if she doesn’t understand them.

Don’t get me wrong, she’s definitely being a bitch. She should have the emotional intelligence to know not to have said these things. At the same time, if she’s not the kind of person who values having a family the way that you do (or is not thinking about it yet) she may worry that the choices you have made, leave you in a vulnerable position. If she really doesn’t get it, she might be worried that you were steamrolled into making these choices. No judgement OP, I would’ve loved to be in your position at your age, but I know it would’ve drawn comments.

That aside, she’s been your friend for a long time, so I think you should be able to tell her that she is hurting your feelings and have her take that on board.

TheSlantedOwl · 01/02/2024 22:23

She’s not a friend. She’s a habit for you but, ugh, a bad one.

You’re not being unreasonable or over sensitive at all. She’s as OTT and desperately insecure and bitchy as a character in a sitcom.

User452023 · 01/02/2024 22:25

She sounds jealous and shallow. She probably can't find nobody to share her life with and settle down.

Sometimes we have to accept that certain people are no longer our friends when they deliberately do or say things to hurt us. They are only friends in our own imagination.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 01/02/2024 22:26

You should discuss how the comments make you feel - if she's a true friend she'll apologize , she might not be thinking and is probably just thinking aloud about her own life choices and whether the sex and the city dream is all it's made out to be

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 01/02/2024 22:27

You could also get sarcy back and say you're delighted yours will be teens as you turn 40 rather than doing the sleepless nights in middle age

Dweetfidilove · 01/02/2024 22:30

She sounds like she could do with a good hug, then point out to her how ridiculous her behaviour is.

She's clearly struggling with something.

adriftinadenofvipers · 01/02/2024 22:33

Sounds as if she is justifying her own choices.

Switherin · 01/02/2024 22:41

I had 2 "friends" like this, one from childhood and other since we were late teens. I phased them both out and have never regretted it. Both have tried to make contact over the years but I didn't respond. No-one needs that shit in their life. As PP have said, people who behave like this are either jealous, and/or deeply insecure but, at the risk of sounding bad, that's their problem, don't let them make it yours.

Bladwdoda · 01/02/2024 22:47

I think either just directly address it with her. “You keep making comment like that. The other day you said x and then Y. Why are you being rude to me recently”.

or

Give her back better until she learns to shut her mouth. “No I’m perfectly ok without a watch like that thanks. Is it from Argos?”

blorfl · 01/02/2024 22:48

I have a friend like this but her thing is always going on about how good things are where she lives (france) and how shit where I live is (the uk). I really think she's just jealous/unsure she made the right choices and is seeking validation.

I think your friend is the same. It does get annoying and couldn't really be bothered meeting her the last time she came home Confused

Ewoklady · 01/02/2024 22:48

I know you have known her for so long but she’s not a friend in the true sense is she?

cool it off and if she asks why you could spell it out to her (but I would just leave her be and I have cut out a girl I was friends with for two decades over similar behaviour)