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Wits end with everything

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Isurrender · 19/01/2024 23:50

I live up North with my two kids aged 18 and 24. Hubby works away and only home every few months. We have no family.

We have just come through the most horrific financial crisis as a family and have pretty much been left with nothing after a two year court battle. I am 54 and my husband is 60.

My son and I both work full time, but my daughter only works 11 hours a week in her own business which she is building up. I pay for her horse, phone and car tax each month. She did have a part time job but gave it up as she fell out with her friend who worked in the same shop and it was awkward, so now does 11 hours work only.

AIBU to expect help in the house? If I specifically ask her to clean a room she will, but if not she does nothing. I spend my weekends shopping, trying to tidy up and walking our dogs. She would never walk them unless asked. If I leave any washing up I mostly come home to it as she will say it wasn’t her mess. She has washed up three times this week and I’m still hearing about it. I’m really struggling with a bad back but she doesn’t notice. The bathroom floor is piled high in her dirty washing but it waits for me. Neither of them would put on a wash unless asked. Last night I was so tired and my back was agony. I left a bowl full of dishes and stuff on the sides, today she had no work and said she’d do them. She sent me a message at work saying she’d wash everyone else’s stuff up later. She had a lie in and went to her horse. I got home to dog poo all over the path and the same mess I’d left last night. She got home after me, telling me she’d wash up later. I said she should have done it earlier and she said her brother doesn’t wash up often. He’d got home and gone to the gym.

My son doesn’t do much but he works 11.5 hour days. If I want a job doing I have to ask over and over. Our garden is completely overgrown as he won’t do it, despite me practically begging him all summer. No one will empty bins unless I ask and if I don’t drag the dustbins out they don’t get emptied. They will see me go outside to fill coal buckets with a bad back and only do it if I ask.

I have nothing for myself, no time, no money, no outings. When the kitchen bin is full the stuff is left on the side for me to take out. My daughter now leaves makeup all over my nice table on the landing and won’t move it unless I ask. Then it’s back the next day. No one will clean the bathroom. The bathroom bin overflows onto the floor until I empty it. If I mention my daughter’s mess she says all I do is moan. I have asked her to get a second job but she doesn’t want to do any job I suggest. She owes her brother £600.

We went through an awful time and she moved out for 5 months to stay with her boyfriend. I admit I was horrible due to all the pressure but now she throws this at me and I feel guilty for asking for her help because I upset her a lot during the court case.

Should they do equal amounts or should she do more as she barely works? I’m at the end of my tether.

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Isurrender · 20/01/2024 16:12

Aprilx · 20/01/2024 12:46

The horse hasn’t come through your door. It is not a cat or dog, it is stabled. Horses change hands or are loaned often, dogs aren’t. Stop pretending it is the same thing, it is just another of your excuses.

Clearly it hasn’t walked through my door. So that makes it not ours? Not our responsibility? How is it different to a cat or dog? Just because it’s not at home it is owned by us. You’re right! They change hands all the time, that’s why so many have issues. He had 7 homes in 15 months. He won’t be leaving.

I posted on here for some good advice, which I’ve received and have started implementing today. It’s not about making excuses. What I have said is that I have tried a lot of what has been suggested. That’s not excuses, that’s being honest. Some posters have really given constructive advice and I will be acting on that advice.

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JellyWellyBoots · 20/01/2024 16:12

I've never got a headache from reading a thread before.

Why don't you just leave? You are clearly miserable & hate your life. I would just walk out.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 16:17

tenterden · 20/01/2024 13:35

I'm another one wondering if the DH is in fact in prison.

This sounds like a situation that is completely out of control. You have to take control back and use deeds, not words.

I have not had time to read all comments yet and have not seen any “prison” related comments, but no, absolutely not in prison at all. He works 6 days a week and gets home about every 2/3 months.

control has started today. I have been out for a hot drink and left them cleaning. Washing basket removed from bathroom and all their dirty washing now in their rooms. Daughter has 48 hours to secure more work. There are local jobs and she has been told to get one.

It’s is not going to happen overnight and it is a work in progress.

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Isurrender · 20/01/2024 16:27

StarDolphins · 20/01/2024 13:38

No. You take responsibility for the pet (whether its a goldfish or a horse) that you’ve taken on, that is loved & part of your family. DD needs to get a job to help pay.

IMO, you do whatever it takes for a pet, for its whole life.

Thank you so much for that comment. So many people saying ‘just get rid’ What message does that send? Take on an animal when things are good and throw it out when times get tough. An animal/pet, be it a fish, a snake, horse….they are YOUR responsibility for life until they die.

For those saying I put the horse before my son and let him take out a loan but kept the horse. That’s not the case! My son would absolutely NOT even consider letting the horse go. Both kids have been brought up with animals. It was discussed for less than a minute and we all said NO WAY!! Animals are not parcels. They are family in every sense.

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peachgreen · 20/01/2024 16:28

I still think this is doing nothing to address the fact that OP is expecting her DS and DD to clear up the mess made by their father / live with the negative consequences of his actions and that is no doubt causing resentment and damaging their relationship beyond repair. As I said earlier, this isn’t as simple as dealing with lazy teenage / adult children. It’s much more complex.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 16:36

C00k · 20/01/2024 13:40

But OP is wanting rid of the adult daughters other pets-geckos, so…

Absolutely not! I told her they could not stay on the landing and she could either advertise them or put back in her room. There isn’t a chance in hell she’d advertise them and she knows I wouldn’t let them go but she did know that they had to be moved TODAY!! I have taken on board some of the constructive advice and started acting on it. I have been a doormat for long enough! No more !!

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Newchapterbeckons · 20/01/2024 16:41

peachgreen · 20/01/2024 16:28

I still think this is doing nothing to address the fact that OP is expecting her DS and DD to clear up the mess made by their father / live with the negative consequences of his actions and that is no doubt causing resentment and damaging their relationship beyond repair. As I said earlier, this isn’t as simple as dealing with lazy teenage / adult children. It’s much more complex.

It sounds to me like they pulled together as families do when there is a crisis. I have no doubt the son will be repaid in full. He is an adult and consented to offering assistance.

What has happened since sounds to me like op has been worked into the ground trying to stay afloat. When you are busy bailing out the ship you literally have no time to call for help. Now burnt out but out of immediate danger she looks up to see she is the only one paddling away and she is exhausted.

Both dc need to step up and adult, op needs to find the strength to let go and insist they do it, and start to take care of herself and her well-being. The priority needs to be a full reset.

God knows where her dh is in this knackering story, but that was not the point of the thread. Op needs to regain her strength, health and confidence. Her dc need to step fully in adulthood and contribute more towards the upkeep and running of their family home.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 16:43

peachgreen · 20/01/2024 16:28

I still think this is doing nothing to address the fact that OP is expecting her DS and DD to clear up the mess made by their father / live with the negative consequences of his actions and that is no doubt causing resentment and damaging their relationship beyond repair. As I said earlier, this isn’t as simple as dealing with lazy teenage / adult children. It’s much more complex.

Unfortunately you cannot change the past or go back. If only! What is done is done. We have to live with the fact that we have lost everything financially. I really don’t know what else we can do other than try to move on. What happened to us was extremely unfair. The other party involved were very cunning and we weren’t and took the losses solely. Of course it is crap but what can I do. The kids are young and we will survive it. What else can you do if you can’t change something?

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StarDolphins · 20/01/2024 16:44

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 16:27

Thank you so much for that comment. So many people saying ‘just get rid’ What message does that send? Take on an animal when things are good and throw it out when times get tough. An animal/pet, be it a fish, a snake, horse….they are YOUR responsibility for life until they die.

For those saying I put the horse before my son and let him take out a loan but kept the horse. That’s not the case! My son would absolutely NOT even consider letting the horse go. Both kids have been brought up with animals. It was discussed for less than a minute and we all said NO WAY!! Animals are not parcels. They are family in every sense.

Absolutely what you say @Isurrender and that’s how it should be. They are reliant on us & love us. Ime MN isn’t reflective of real life, I don’t know anyone that would sell/get rid their pets! Lots do but more feel like we do. They’re not an object like a phone/bag that you sell on Lots also go with the majority on these type threads.

I’m sorry you find yourself in this position & in your shoes, I would definitely be making some changes to ease things up for you. Also, remember it won’t be like this forever.

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 18:17

C00k · 20/01/2024 13:11

’Any pet we have through our door has a home for life and I would never give one up.’…..’I told her to advertise them’ (geckos)🥴

Aye, alright 😄
All sound tedious, will you not downsize and enjoy life? If it was your live-away husband who chose the circumstances that led to court, and your child paying your debts, divorce him. I don’t see the point in the marriage as it is, anyway.

Yes! I did say advertise them! She knows I’d never let them go and she wouldn’t either but they are now back in her room as I have had enough!

My post has sadly been derailed by the financial stuff and pets when all I really needed was advice on the chores and how to stop living in a slum

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Isurrender · 20/01/2024 18:28

StarDolphins · 20/01/2024 16:44

Absolutely what you say @Isurrender and that’s how it should be. They are reliant on us & love us. Ime MN isn’t reflective of real life, I don’t know anyone that would sell/get rid their pets! Lots do but more feel like we do. They’re not an object like a phone/bag that you sell on Lots also go with the majority on these type threads.

I’m sorry you find yourself in this position & in your shoes, I would definitely be making some changes to ease things up for you. Also, remember it won’t be like this forever.

Exactly!! People are saying just get rid of it. My post wasn’t about my finances or pets, it’s about chores and how to get them done without a war breaking out. Thank you for understanding that some people see their pets as equals.

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kittensinthekitchen · 20/01/2024 18:43

I don't know why you keep ignoring the point of your husband's contributions to the household?

He's clearly not earning minimum wage with that work schedule, so should be financially contributing handsomely?
You say he's home "every 2-3 months", but not how long for?

whatsitcalledwhen · 20/01/2024 18:55

Isn't downsizing an option OP?

stomachameleon · 20/01/2024 19:11

@kittensinthekitchen and it's not just financial. Does not being around physically mean he dodges the mental load? If you are a family why can't he address the children and their laziness?

Even if he worked on an oil rig/ army?/ etc they would have time at home. And If it's their home too that you have busted your chumps to save he should be invested... surely?

exttf · 20/01/2024 19:14

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 18:17

Yes! I did say advertise them! She knows I’d never let them go and she wouldn’t either but they are now back in her room as I have had enough!

My post has sadly been derailed by the financial stuff and pets when all I really needed was advice on the chores and how to stop living in a slum

The financial stuff is a big part of the problem though. It's not a derailment.
DD in particular is not making any contribution either financially or chores and it is disrespectful. It needs to be sorted.

The horse would not be an issue if DD had a job and was contributing towards the household. The gecko problem could have been solved easily long ago. I would never put up with what you have put up with them. I'd have moved them back into her room as soon as they appeared on the landing.

Both DD and DS should be contributing to rent and bills with DS's contribution being reduced by the amount he is paying towards the loan.

But you seem to have made a start:
control has started today. I have been out for a hot drink and left them cleaning. Washing basket removed from bathroom and all their dirty washing now in their rooms. Daughter has 48 hours to secure more work. There are local jobs and she has been told to get one

So what happens if she does not get a job within 48 hours?

JellyWellyBoots · 20/01/2024 19:45

There's definitely a huge part of the story we are missing. All questions about the husband have been dodged, surely if he's working away for that long he's earning decent money? Why isn't he helping at all?

Zanatdy · 20/01/2024 19:49

You need to go nuclear with them. They both need to do more around the house. If they don’t want to they can get a house share and see how their housemates will feel with them leaving stuff lying around like they do

poetryandwine · 20/01/2024 19:52

I think OP is entitled to her privacy regarding her husband. The whole family is obviously traumatised and she may not be ready to unpack that publicly, even on an anonymous forum.

It is enough to know that they hurting. But her DC are treating her disrespectfully and there is an implication that they’ve had it very easy at home for a long time.

Zanatdy · 20/01/2024 20:03

When you’ve lost everything else getting rid of an animal your family loves is the last thing you’d want to do. People saying you get rid of the horse are being ridiculous. Selling the horse wouldn’t have prevented the loan being taken out. Kudos to OPs son for taking out the loan to help the family. I am sure OP feels terrible enough about that without the pile on here. I’m sure he will get that money back in time. But all the more reason the 18yr old DD gets a job and pays for her own horse so that money can go to the son towards the loan. Very difficult situation - time to get strict on things like not doing the washing and don’t relent and do it. They are capable but lazy. As are my kids and I’m sure many of those making judgements

Zanatdy · 20/01/2024 20:04

JellyWellyBoots · 20/01/2024 19:45

There's definitely a huge part of the story we are missing. All questions about the husband have been dodged, surely if he's working away for that long he's earning decent money? Why isn't he helping at all?

Because that’s got nothing to do with chores not getting done. He’s working away, end of. OP doesn’t need to share the details of what happened to get advice on how to get her kids to do chores.

ProfessorInkling · 20/01/2024 20:15

It sounds like all you do is make empty threats and feel hard-done by.

Fine you don’t want to sell the horse, but recognise your privilege to be able to make that choice. I don’t know anyone who would claim to be utterly skint while paying £220+ on a non-essential.

Isurrender · 21/01/2024 00:33

kittensinthekitchen · 20/01/2024 18:43

I don't know why you keep ignoring the point of your husband's contributions to the household?

He's clearly not earning minimum wage with that work schedule, so should be financially contributing handsomely?
You say he's home "every 2-3 months", but not how long for?

I’ve ignored those comments because I posted for advice about my kids not helping. It’s absolutely nothing to do with whether hubby is contributing. Yes of course he is contributing but my post wasn’t a financial post, or a post about pets. I wanted advice on how to sort the constant issues with chores.

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Isurrender · 21/01/2024 00:40

kittensinthekitchen · 20/01/2024 18:43

I don't know why you keep ignoring the point of your husband's contributions to the household?

He's clearly not earning minimum wage with that work schedule, so should be financially contributing handsomely?
You say he's home "every 2-3 months", but not how long for?

Because it’s totally irrelevant to a post about my kids doing household chores. My husband contributes a lot, he works away and therefore cannot do chores so they are left to me as my kids have not been contributing but that has changed from today and will continue.

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TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 21/01/2024 00:40

Why does an unemployed 18 year old need a car?

Isurrender · 21/01/2024 00:45

poetryandwine · 20/01/2024 19:52

I think OP is entitled to her privacy regarding her husband. The whole family is obviously traumatised and she may not be ready to unpack that publicly, even on an anonymous forum.

It is enough to know that they hurting. But her DC are treating her disrespectfully and there is an implication that they’ve had it very easy at home for a long time.

Thank you so much! Exactly this! That’s the issue on here, people want every aspect of your life revealed and that’s not happening. I posted about lack of help with chores and I’ve been weighed down with “Why can’t you get rid of the horse?” “Why aren’t you telling us where hubby is. Is he in prison?”

I’ve had some lovely constructive advice and I have today started implementing it and will continue. Yes my kids have been spoilt for two long, thinking I am some kind of slave. I’ve been so bogged down with the stress of everything I’ve allowed it.

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