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AIBU?

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Isurrender · 19/01/2024 23:50

I live up North with my two kids aged 18 and 24. Hubby works away and only home every few months. We have no family.

We have just come through the most horrific financial crisis as a family and have pretty much been left with nothing after a two year court battle. I am 54 and my husband is 60.

My son and I both work full time, but my daughter only works 11 hours a week in her own business which she is building up. I pay for her horse, phone and car tax each month. She did have a part time job but gave it up as she fell out with her friend who worked in the same shop and it was awkward, so now does 11 hours work only.

AIBU to expect help in the house? If I specifically ask her to clean a room she will, but if not she does nothing. I spend my weekends shopping, trying to tidy up and walking our dogs. She would never walk them unless asked. If I leave any washing up I mostly come home to it as she will say it wasn’t her mess. She has washed up three times this week and I’m still hearing about it. I’m really struggling with a bad back but she doesn’t notice. The bathroom floor is piled high in her dirty washing but it waits for me. Neither of them would put on a wash unless asked. Last night I was so tired and my back was agony. I left a bowl full of dishes and stuff on the sides, today she had no work and said she’d do them. She sent me a message at work saying she’d wash everyone else’s stuff up later. She had a lie in and went to her horse. I got home to dog poo all over the path and the same mess I’d left last night. She got home after me, telling me she’d wash up later. I said she should have done it earlier and she said her brother doesn’t wash up often. He’d got home and gone to the gym.

My son doesn’t do much but he works 11.5 hour days. If I want a job doing I have to ask over and over. Our garden is completely overgrown as he won’t do it, despite me practically begging him all summer. No one will empty bins unless I ask and if I don’t drag the dustbins out they don’t get emptied. They will see me go outside to fill coal buckets with a bad back and only do it if I ask.

I have nothing for myself, no time, no money, no outings. When the kitchen bin is full the stuff is left on the side for me to take out. My daughter now leaves makeup all over my nice table on the landing and won’t move it unless I ask. Then it’s back the next day. No one will clean the bathroom. The bathroom bin overflows onto the floor until I empty it. If I mention my daughter’s mess she says all I do is moan. I have asked her to get a second job but she doesn’t want to do any job I suggest. She owes her brother £600.

We went through an awful time and she moved out for 5 months to stay with her boyfriend. I admit I was horrible due to all the pressure but now she throws this at me and I feel guilty for asking for her help because I upset her a lot during the court case.

Should they do equal amounts or should she do more as she barely works? I’m at the end of my tether.

OP posts:
PonyPatter44 · 21/01/2024 21:29

You lay down the law. You get over your guilt about letting the financial disaster affect your kids' lives and you make it very clear to them that the easy ride is over and everyone has to pull their weight now.

You simply tell your DD that you wont be paying for her car, horse or gym membership after a specific date. She will have to go and get any available job to pay her own bills. There are loads of jobs around, she jsut needs to go and look for them. Any clothes left on the floor get ignored, anything left lying around downstairs goes in the bin. They both have brains and can learn to work the washing machine.

It sounds as if you are a bit hamstrung by guilt over the seismic change in your kids' lives after the dramatic court case. Whether its right or wrong, its happened, and this is your new reality. The kids will have to get to grips with it as much as you will.

BTW, I've had horses and im not sentimental about them - they were there for a job. They got sold on when they would be better suited to other people. If noone ever sold their horses, how would anyone ever get an experienced horse? Some of us don't have the time or the ability to bring our own competition horse on from a foal.

ilovemyspace · 22/01/2024 01:34

@Isurrender Are you asking yourself the wrong questions?

Ask yourself why you've asked the question ' AIBU to expect help in the house?' as opposed to asking 'AIBU to be the only adult in the house to do housework when there are 3 adults living here

Obviously you're not unreasonable to expect the other two adults in the housse to pull their weight!

It's your house - owned with your husband ? (who isn't there most of the time?)
You work full time (presumably over 5 days?)
Your adult children both live there.

One of them works 11.5 hour days (unclear how many days a week this is?)

The other works 11 hours a week.
You're unhappy at the division of labour in the house.

Your son has taken out a loan to tide you over a court case ........ this has really helped you out. He's making the repayments on the loan, which is really helping you out.

He is also living in a comfortable house, without paying rent (which probably would amount to more than the loan repayments if he didn't still live at home) - which is helping him* *out.
How much would he be paying in rent for still living at home if he hadn't taken out the loan? Would he actually have moved out?
How much rent would he be paying if he had moved out?

Your daughter is setting up her own business - and works 11 hours a week.
And isn't paying rent or making an equivalent contribution to the family?

If she is the person who is working the least number of hours outside of the home / is contributing the least to the family finances and has the most free time therefore to contribute to upkeep of the home, then it makes sense that her contribution is to do more of the housework.
How much rent would she be paying if she was independent and didn't still live at home?

You need to decide what is fair and reasonable - there are 4 adults in your family. All of you should be making a contibution.
And you already know this.

It's not clear what contribution you husband makes in all of this ........

but in respect to the 3 adults that you have referred to in you OP, you shouldn't be asking. You should be telling both of them what is expected of them if they want to continue living in your home.

Samlewis96 · 22/01/2024 01:51

Isurrender · 20/01/2024 10:49

No! She pays for fuel but my point was almost 400 miles a month in fuel could be put towards the horse I pay. Gym is fine but 5 nights a week excessive if you don’t earn enough.

How is she paying for gym fuel car insurance etc only working 11 hours a week. That doesn't add up

BaybeeTammy · 22/01/2024 03:14

Don't do her laundry. Leave it in the basket. When she moans say it's not your stuff...
I wouldn't pay the phone or the car tax unless she helps not more around the house...
Say it and mean it

Isurrender · 26/01/2024 22:18

Well just to update I have not relented on anything. I have done only my washing and both kids have done their own. Whole drive jet washed and re-sanded and tidied. Got home to a tidy house, not perfect but a massive improvement. Son made me bacon batches for tea, daughter washed up, got some shopping. Has applied for several jobs and both are trying.

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poetryandwine · 27/01/2024 00:31

Wonderful news, OP. Keep going!

Winter2020 · 27/01/2024 01:26

That sounds great OP.
It sounds like they have realised that they were taking you for granted and are making the effort.

Weenurse · 27/01/2024 03:57

Great start

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 27/01/2024 21:07

Wow, that's great, OP!

SleepingBeautySnores · 27/01/2024 21:52

Well you've made a start OP, now you have to keep it up, and I doubt whether it's going to be easy. Whatever you do though, don't let it slide, not even once, or you're doomed! Sadly, like so many other parents these days, you let your kids get away with doing sod all in the house to help, until it got to a point where your lives have had to change. Now you have to train them to do the jobs, and most importantly KEEP DOING THEM! Don't think, 'oh, they've been really good this week, I'll do their washing for them', as again, you're opening yourself up to the whole sorry situation going back to what it was, and if you have a bad back, that's the last thing you need. Your job as a parent, is to teach your kids how to survive when they become adults. They are at that point NOW, and being an adult means earning your keep, looking after your own things, and keeping a roof over your head. So, if your daughter wants to run a car, she has to earn ALL of the money to pay for it. If she wants to go to the gym, she has to pay her own membership, and any other costs involved. If she wants new clothes, she has to buy them. She also needs to be putting some money to one side to pay for things like gifts, and other costs which only come up occasionally, ie, car break down, etc. (I haven't inclued the horse in this, as it sounds to me more like you want him, rather than it being her horse). All of these things also apply to your son. You've obviously reached an agreement with him, in respect of the loan covering his rent as it were, but any other costs, and jobs that he needs doing, he MUST be responsible for. No letting him off because he works hard, so do you, and no one lets you off, do they?

You've done well so far OP, and I wish you all the strength you are going to need to keep this pair on track!

pikkumyy77 · 27/01/2024 21:57

Good going!

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