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Christmas has descended into chaos

193 replies

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 14:35

I need to find out if I am unreasonable, I am diagnosed autistic with ADHD. I often struggle with these things.

So I said to DS in the summer that this year I won’t be doing Christmas presents for adults in families with DC, just DC. I did get a gift for my other sister because she has no DC or OH.

I am 100% sure that I communicated this. I recall her reaction which was ‘err, um ok.’ And I can visualise the place where the conversation happened. We don’t do big presents among adults in the family, they are always along the lines of a bottle of bubble bath, or a box of biscuits. A bit like a crap secret Santa. All the DS and their partners have good jobs and get themselves the things they want. For me the decision not to give to adults was that I find the cognitive load of Christmas totally overwhelming. I struggle with SAD and anxiety. I also have very little money and to me the extra cost does make a difference. I was able to get her children something better.

I dropped off the gifts for her kids on Christmas Eve.

Christmas Day, she gave me a gift when we met at my mothers. She said she was ‘very upset’. That there wasn’t gifts for her and her husband. I reminded her that I said I was only doing gifts for adults and told her that months ago when we started discussing Christmas arrangements.

She will never accept that I did tell her months ago that I wasn’t doing gifts for adults. So, I apologised to diffuse the situation. If I had forgotten to tell her, (which I really don’t think is the case) I didn’t do this with malice. Why would I seek to cause offence and bring problems on myself. I have occasionally forgotten people’s gifts in the past, I really struggle with this time of year, and organising life generally. I went home as I have covid, and woke up this morning to my mother on my doorstep.

She made me come outside. She was screeching at me in the street. She said she wanted all my neighbours to hear. My mother returned the gift I had given her, and then told me I was a totally horrible person for not having given gifts and for missing out younger sisters gift one year in the past.

She said I should have gone and wrapped something up for them. I don’t have anything suitable in the house. I didn’t buy in any Christmas stuff, I don’t drink, so no bottles of booze and no one has given me anything I could re-gift. Between 2pm on Christmas Day and 10am today I had been in bed with covid.

she also said I was horrible for cancelling younger sister coming round to visit me 20 and my kids years ago. I cancelled that visit as I was suffering from anxiety and had a panic attack because I can’t cope with people being in my house. I had called my crisis team worker who had told me to address the problem by taking control of the situation and cancel the visit. My mother said this was a horrible thing to do to my little sister.

The reason I can’t cope with people coming in to my house over the last 20 years is because it is a mess and my mother tells me this to my face, how disgusting and lazy I am. I was a single parent working full time so I figured the house would never be sparkling tidy.

I don’t invite her round because she makes negative comments about what a mess things are. In fact, every time she ever can round she has a go at me for things being messy or dirty… so to prevent this I don’t invite her.

She stood in the street screeching at me telling me I am a horrible person and dumped the present I got her on my doorstep. I obviously couldn’t say anything, just waited until she had finished.

How can I try and make things better? Do I return the gift that my sister gave me? I haven’t gone and got her anything because I worried that it wouldn’t be received and it would be an afterthought. I haven’t done any of these things to cause hurt. I think what my mother did was directly calculated to cause hurt, which is the thing that bothers me the most.

OP posts:
ValerieDoonican · 26/12/2023 14:39

Your family are appalling and probably a big part of the reason for your mh issues

Neitheronethingnortheother · 26/12/2023 14:39

I'm not suprised you have anxiety issues and panic attacks with a family like that

I know it's easier said than done but if someone ever comes around shouting at you on your doorstep again, just go back in the house and lock the door. You can always call the police if necessary

You don't have to have abusive people in your life just because they are related to you.

TotalAbsenceOfImperialRaiment · 26/12/2023 14:44

If you ever communicate with these people again, and personally I wouldn't see the need, do it by text and preserve the message.

caringcarer · 26/12/2023 14:50

Your family are toxic. It sounds like they make your anxiety worse. I'd go non contact for a while until you can get your MH under control. They know you have MH issues but simply don't care.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 26/12/2023 14:54

Neitheronethingnortheother · 26/12/2023 14:39

I'm not suprised you have anxiety issues and panic attacks with a family like that

I know it's easier said than done but if someone ever comes around shouting at you on your doorstep again, just go back in the house and lock the door. You can always call the police if necessary

You don't have to have abusive people in your life just because they are related to you.

This response nails it! I'm sorry this has happened to you.

Pebstk · 26/12/2023 15:00

This is totally awful behaviour on their part. Please don’t be worrying yourself any more - they sound absolutely hateful. Who would care about getting a small gift or not

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 15:01

Thank you all so much. My mother has been leaving things that I have given her on the doorstep throughout the day. I am worried what I should do next. Should I go and apologise and take their gifts back?

OP posts:
Reugny · 26/12/2023 15:04

Do nothing.

No apology

Do not contact them

Listentogold · 26/12/2023 15:05

Do not apologise. Go no contact. I promise your mental health will improve.

Sunnydays0101 · 26/12/2023 15:05

Ignore her, do not apologise. Take in whatever she leaves on the doorstep or else just leave them to gather and bring in later. Do not engage with her/or answer the doorbell/or reply to messages or calls. She is being ridiculous.

Furrydogmum · 26/12/2023 15:06

You poor thing, your op made me feel anxious! Ignore them and their cruelty. I would go low to no contact, but I know that it difficult.. They are responsible for a lot of your issues I'm sure. Put a bin bag out for your mum and just ignite ignore ignore.

Lizzieregina · 26/12/2023 15:07

Good grief!

You need these horrifying idiots out of your life.

Don’t apologize, don’t return gifts and ignore all communication from them. Block them on your phone, lock your door and close your curtains!

They'd cause anyone to have a panic attack!

Silvers11 · 26/12/2023 15:07

Ladyritacircumference · 26/12/2023 15:01

Thank you all so much. My mother has been leaving things that I have given her on the doorstep throughout the day. I am worried what I should do next. Should I go and apologise and take their gifts back?

No. Please don't apologise to any of them. Your Mother sounds bonkers to be honest, never mind your sister. Just go no contact. Take in whatever she is leaving on your doorstep and repurpose it to a charity shop or similar!

Justanything86 · 26/12/2023 15:07

Op I also have adhd and part of the memory problems is the horrible doubting yourself when people say you haven't done something. I do know though that if I can remember an event it definitely happened, rather than other times I can't quite picture it and I'm not quite sure.

Your family are using your specific problems to bully you and make you doubt yourself. The fact that your mum tried to publicly shame you bringing up something happened 20 years ago due to your disability is not ok. If you were in a wheelchair no-one would be screaming that you should have tried harder to walk and if they did they would be reasonably judged as psychotic.

Do not apologise to either of them and take some time away from them to work out if they are just simply contributing to your mental health issues. I'm willing to bet with lower contact you'll feel more stable.

DisappearingGirl · 26/12/2023 15:08

I don't think you've done anything wrong at all (just to reassure you as you said you have ASD etc). It's fair enough to say you're not doing adult presents.

Your family sound unhinged though. I can't imagine an adult throwing a paddy because they didn't get an extra box of biscuits / bottle of shower gel to unwrap.

In short, the issue is them not you.

I wouldn't really bother trying to make things better (other than a noncommittal "oh okay sorry") as it sounds like they are causing drama on purpose.

RatatouillePie · 26/12/2023 15:08

Your family are weirdos.

Do nothing.

If they don't want the gifts then keep them for yourself or regift them to someone else.

I know blood is thicker than water but your family sound awful!

Next time don't have a conversation about important things, put it in writing in an email!

Reugny · 26/12/2023 15:08

OP you need to stand up for yourself against such horribly behaved family members including your mother.

If they do contact you do not apologise

If they start screaming, shouting and/or use abusive language at you on the phone, tell them if they continue to talk to you like that you will put the phone down. If they continue then put the phone down.

If they turn up at your door instead, close the door and lock them out. Tell them through the door you are going to call the police if they don't leave. Wait 5 minutes and if they haven't left call the police.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 26/12/2023 15:08

A person who doesn’t receive a present when they were expecting one would, or should, know how to behave. The absolute opposite of your treatment by your sister.

As for a parent who screeches at you in the street, so all the neighbours can hear and take notes, is beyond the ruddy Pale. “Trashy” doesn’t quite cover it. Neither does “bloody awful”.

Use this as a golden opportunity to re-evaluate how or whether you should deal with such toxic people going forward. Personally, I’d get rid

emmetgirl · 26/12/2023 15:09

This is why I don't do Xmas. Crazy.

CanIPutTheTreeUpYet · 26/12/2023 15:10

Only got halfway through before I had to see if others thought the same as me, unsurprisingly they do. Your family are toxic as hell. I've been low contact for years because mine are the same. Family are meant to be a safe place, ours are triggering!! Sorry they twisted the situation.

Mumof2NDers · 26/12/2023 15:14

I’m so sorry this is happening to you. Your family clearly gave no clue how extremely difficult it is for you managing with ADHD. They should be supporting you not treating you the way they are. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. NOT YOU!! They should be apologising to you.

toomuchfaff · 26/12/2023 15:16

this year I won’t be doing Christmas presents for adults in families
absolutely reasonable, plenty of notice, should been no issue.

Christmas Day, she gave me a gift when we met at my mothers. She said she was ‘very upset’. That there wasn’t gifts for her and her husband.
is she 5?
You'd said you weren't doing gifts, she is gaslighting you, you never said, you never did... er yes you did. In reality she was trampling on the boundaries you had set for no presents and gaslighting you when you caller her out.
TOXIC behaviour.

I reminded her that I said I was only doing gifts for adults
your boundary...
She will never accept that
Trouncing all over your boundary, and gaslighting to try to make you think you didn't say what you said...TOXIC behaviour.
So, I apologised to diffuse the situation.
of course you did... trauma response.

I went home as I have covid,
Erm, sorry what? Why were you even there? 😕

and woke up this morning to my mother on my doorstep.
She made me come outside.
She was screeching at me in the street. She said she wanted all my neighbours to hear.
I don't even know where to begin.
Berating you like the stupid child you are, in front of an audience. For this alone I'd be going no contact, right at that very second. You shouldn't have even gone out of the house, just shut the door and ignore her. This is hugely horrible toxic behaviour, block them all, step away, you'll need 5 years to unlearn all the trauma behaviours you exhibit. Get therapy.

My mother returned the gift I had given her, and then told me I was a totally horrible person for not having given gifts and for missing out younger sisters gift one year in the past.
Again, horrible, toxic behaviour.

Between 2pm on Christmas Day and 10am today I had been in bed with covid.
So you're ill, no one even gives a shit that you're ill.

my mother tells me this to my face, how disgusting and lazy I am.
TOXIC

I don’t invite her round because she makes negative comments about what a mess things are.
TOXIC

In fact, every time she ever can round she has a go at me for things being messy or dirty
TOXIC

She stood in the street screeching at me TOXIC ABUSE
telling me I am a horrible person
TOXIC ABUSE
and dumped the present I got her on my doorstep.
TOXIC

obviously couldn’t say anything, just waited until she had finished.
TRAUMA RESPONSE

How can I try and make things better?
You never will.... these people although family, arent going to ever be anything else.

GO N/C

Do I return the gift that my sister gave me?
Yes. With a note saying you're stepping away, going no contact, you are purring in place boundaries for yourself that they cannot seem to adhere too so best for you all that you remove yourself from the situation and you appreciate them not contacting you.

I haven’t gone and got her anything because I worried that it wouldn’t be received and it would be an afterthought.
Don't. You set a boundary, they didn't respect it.

I haven’t done any of these things to cause hurt. I think what my mother did was directly calculated to cause hurt,
NO SHIT.... that woman is the route of all your problems. NO CONTACT... GO N/C

Just because these people are blood doesn't mean you need to stay in an abusive, toxic environment. Get away and stay away from these people

Fromage · 26/12/2023 15:17

Your mother and sister have mental health issues of their own. Awful behaviour from them.

If I were one of your neighbours and I saw and heard your sister screeching and your mother putting things on your doorstep, I would think the pair of them were batshit crazy.

I think you did tell your sister you'd only do presents for the children, and she has forgotten this.

I hope you feel better soon......but if covid has kept you away from people who will only cause you stress and be unkind to you, well, I would look on that as a silver lining.

TheCountIsPale · 26/12/2023 15:25

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