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To be so frustrated with shy child?

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LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 11:16

What do you do with shy 12 year old boys???
My 12 year old DS is sooooo shy with other kids.
He says he's desperate to make friends at his new secondary school.
But he's too shy to engage with anybody.
So he's not making any friends.
He really, really wants to be friends with people. He's not a loner who prefers his own company. He's a loner who looks at everyone around him and wants to make friends but doesn't know how to.
He started secondary school in September saying he was really looking forward to starting a new school and making new friends.
8 weeks in, he's made no friends at all.
There's 1 boy who he'd like to make friends with. So I've encouraged him to invite this boy to meet up outside of school. I helped him come up with ideas to suggest. I texted the boy's mum to try and help organise something. She said her DS would be up for meeting but that she is trying to encourage her DS to be independent so she said could they sort it out between them rather than us mums organising it. I explained this to DS and encouraged him to invite this boy to meet up. But he just will not invite him, even though he wants to meet up with him. After a few weeks of me trying hard to encourage him, last night he said "I'm not going to invite him out mum, I'm just too shy to ask him".
So that's that then.
Another new boy from new school invited him out for a bike ride with him and 3 others. My DS went, and came home 3 hours later full of smiles saying he'd had a great time. But since then, the mum of one of the boys has told me that the other kids all said my DS was really quiet and didn't talk at all or engage with the rest of the kids who were all chatting and joking whilst on their bikes. She said the other kids said my DS was too quiet. Yet my DS thought he had a brilliant time with them and asked them to let him know when theyre going again as hed like to join in, but meanwhile this other mum said the other kids probably won't invite him out next time because my DS was so quiet they thought he wasn't having fun with them. When in fact he told me he had really good fun, so I relayed this to the mum, but she said "Well they've met up a few times since then but didn't invite your DS because he was so quiet". DS has seen them out cycling round together without him and looked crestfallen.
There's another boy he likes, so I've texted that mum and she told me she leaves her DS to arrange his own social life now he's started secondary. So I've told my DS this and encouraged him to invite this boy over to ours or to meet up, but again, my DS won't invite him.
He's been going to an out of school club for 1 year and hasn't made a single friend there.
He hates competitive sports, so he will not join any football or rugby groups (much to my DH's frustration - DH is not sports mad but he insists a team sport would be good for DS's confidence, but DS refuses). He tried cricket but dropped out after 2 months. I've suggested judo at my DH's suggestion - flat no, he absolutely hated the look of it when I showed him kids of his age doing judo on YouTube.
In primary, he had 5 friends but the dynamics between them in year 6 were awful, constant fall outs and unpleasant behaviour on a non stop basis, a lot of horrible behaviour aimed at him (as well as at each other) so they've all fallen by the wayside now.
DS is a brilliant person. He talks loads at home, really makes us all laugh, has amazing insight into things (insight that is superior to his age), understands people really well, has very high levels of emotional intelligence - there are so many situations on this level that he just 'gets' and can talk eloquently about things on an emotional level that other mums tell me their kids of same age can't do or don't get at all, he has lots of interests (but none them transfer in to clubs). He gets on brilliantly with his sister, who is not shy at all.
It's really weird - when he was a little boy he wasn't shy at all. He ran around with a big bright happy open expression on his face, he was born with a "Hello world!" temperament. Then around the age of 10, shyness kicked in, and 2 years later it's much worse. He's getting more shy as he gets older.
I can see that this comes across really badly to other kids.
We were out at an event the other evening, and throughout the event, several boys in his school year that know him smiled and said Hi to him on individual occasions (not a group of boys, but 1 boy, then 10 mins later another boy, etc.) and DS didn't smile back at any of them. He did reply to each of them with a hello, but he came across as so stand offish. I talked to him the next day about how he came across to them, but he just said "I'm so shy mum, I freeze and clam up when they speak to me, I hate it but I don't know what to do because I can't help it".
I've encouraged him to join clubs at school but he won't because he doesn't know anyone. Obviously I've explained that no-one knows anyone at first, but you go and then you get to know people. But he will not go.
I'm at the point where I despair.
I can see him spending 5 years at school not making any friends.
If he didn't care about friends and was happy in his own little world then I'd think fine, that's just how he is. But he tells me he really, really wants to make friends.
I've talked to his school about it and asked for their support, and they said he needs to join school clubs. That was their only solution and 3 different staff members have all said the same thing. But he won't go to these clubs.
So what do I do?!?

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Thingsthatgo · 04/11/2023 11:19

Does he have a phone? I know that some parents don't want their children to have them at the age, by my Ds organises all his socialising by text.
Also, encourage him to go to all of the clubs. It's much easier to meet people through the clubs.

Luckymummytoone · 04/11/2023 11:21

Could he have ASD? It often becomes more apparent as children get older when pressures increase/transitions etc. x

mikado1 · 04/11/2023 11:33

I wonder could he work with someone to help overcome this? Not just role play but building him up etc. Might sound daft but my DN worker with a hypnotist around this age, for anxiety, and the imagery etc was really very powerful, I was moved by it myself! He gave him a CD to listen to etc. He's now a very quietly confident 18yo with a small group of close friends. Your so sounds like he really needs to completely relax and be himself but he is unable to. That's the bit that needs sorting, the rest will come.

Comedycook · 04/11/2023 11:35

Op...I bought my dd a book about how to make friends when she started secondary school. It's really good...gives actual practical advice on what to say and how to initiate conversations. Can't remember the exact name...Will dig it out and let you know

Commonwasher · 04/11/2023 11:43

Is he anxious, generally I mean, not just about the friends situation? It’s early days for secondary school and it takes a while to find your people. If he hasn’t made a single friend by Christmas, I would ask to speak to someone in the pastoral/student support office, but it might be that he just hasn’t yet settled into the new school. it’s probably better just to reassure him that it’s early days and everyone is still settling, rather than to worry about whether he is making friends as this might make him anxious. Some people just need time to find their place, I’d bet there are others in a similar boat, they just need time to find each other.

Maybe get him to do the 16 Personalities quiz online for working out your personality type. It’s surprisingly handy knowing how you ‘tick’. It sounds like he might just be an introvert, and his natural introversion and lack of external ‘cues’ (the lack of obvious interaction or laughs/conversation) could be compounded by the change to a new school and all the awkwardness that goes with being a tween.

I do think it’s hard for boys who don’t do sports. Maybe something out of school like chess, computer programming or gym might get him out and meeting other people, outside the goldfish bowl of school, which will improve his confidence/social skills generally.

Comedycook · 04/11/2023 11:45

Found it...sorry I can't do links...but I found it in Amazon...it's called...How to Make & Keep Friends: Tips for Kids to Overcome 50 Common Social Challenges...by Nadine Briggs and Donna Shea.

HalebiHabibti · 04/11/2023 11:47

Thank you ComedyCook, that is helpful!

BogHag · 04/11/2023 11:48

Have you tried role playing with him? It might help him to learn a sort of script for getting over the initial hurdle.

RedCoffeeCup · 04/11/2023 11:50

Could you help him draft a text message asking one of these boys to meet up? To help him with the wording etc

TeachMeHowTo · 04/11/2023 11:52

So my kid is like this. I am dreading secondary as primary they are all so used to each other.

My daughter wont ever say she’s shy though. I’ve not heard a kid that verbalises it,

I will check out the book
I do think my daughter has a touch of sad. her older sister has adhd (their dad has both and gets called iceman at work)

Id invite 121 play dates at active things. You can’t force this other than telling other parents your kid is shy.

Id join a few more clubs

VerrryNice · 04/11/2023 11:52

Do the boys he used to go round with go to the same school now? Is it worth picking up with one or two of them that he already knows.

BettyBakesCakes · 04/11/2023 11:55

What's he like with other adults? Is it possible he may have social anxiety or even selective mutism?

XelaM · 04/11/2023 11:59

Thingsthatgo · 04/11/2023 11:19

Does he have a phone? I know that some parents don't want their children to have them at the age, by my Ds organises all his socialising by text.
Also, encourage him to go to all of the clubs. It's much easier to meet people through the clubs.

This.

Why does he need to actually approach these boys to ask them on a bike ride? Why doesn't he just text them (or you draft the text on his behalf)?

LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 11:59

RedCoffeeCup · 04/11/2023 11:50

Could you help him draft a text message asking one of these boys to meet up? To help him with the wording etc

Well the problem is he hasn't got a mobile phone yet.
That's because of me worrying about it. There's loads of nasty and bullying texts flying around year 7 at the moment, which I'm hearing about from lots of other mums who are very upset about their kids getting horrible texts from new kids, orvkids they know, everyone's numbers are being passed around and suddenly kids are getting nasty texts from kids they're not friends with, or from kids they are friends with, or from kids who are a friend of a friend.
My DS was bullied in year 5, then again in year 6. So I'm thinking, with that history, plus his 2 year new onset shyness, if he gets mean texts it will crush him.
BTW, I've only just realised since typing this reply, that his sudden onset shyness and loss of spark socially, directly coincided with being bullied by 2 different kids in Yr 5 and 6. He never really bounced back from this. I involved schoolbat the time and their response was to tell DS to stay away from those kids.

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madnessitellyou · 04/11/2023 12:01

Firstly, I'd encourage him not to think of himself as shy. I'm sure you don't do this but don't tell him he's too shy because it'll become a self-fulfilling prophecy. I feel very, very strongly about this. I had the shy label attached right the way through school. I'm not: I'm introverted and I am completely okay with this. Dd2 was described as shy by a teacher in her report and I went to town: being quiet is not a character flaw.

Secondly, out of school activities don't have to be sport-related. What about learning an instrument? It's something he can do alone and with others - he can join ensembles. He could even get to know kids in different years.

XelaM · 04/11/2023 12:02

LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 11:59

Well the problem is he hasn't got a mobile phone yet.
That's because of me worrying about it. There's loads of nasty and bullying texts flying around year 7 at the moment, which I'm hearing about from lots of other mums who are very upset about their kids getting horrible texts from new kids, orvkids they know, everyone's numbers are being passed around and suddenly kids are getting nasty texts from kids they're not friends with, or from kids they are friends with, or from kids who are a friend of a friend.
My DS was bullied in year 5, then again in year 6. So I'm thinking, with that history, plus his 2 year new onset shyness, if he gets mean texts it will crush him.
BTW, I've only just realised since typing this reply, that his sudden onset shyness and loss of spark socially, directly coincided with being bullied by 2 different kids in Yr 5 and 6. He never really bounced back from this. I involved schoolbat the time and their response was to tell DS to stay away from those kids.

He is isolated by not having a phone (I have a kid a year older and they always organise all their social lives by text). If you don't want him to get random texts, you can keep hold of the phone but use it to organise his social life.

madnessitellyou · 04/11/2023 12:02

Just seen your update @LolleePopp . He needs a phone.

Educate him on social media but don't exclude him in this way.

XelaM · 04/11/2023 12:04

madnessitellyou · 04/11/2023 12:02

Just seen your update @LolleePopp . He needs a phone.

Educate him on social media but don't exclude him in this way.

This!

OP - you can't be upset about your son being socially excluded but not allow him to have the one thing that could actually help him.

LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 12:06

BettyBakesCakes · 04/11/2023 11:55

What's he like with other adults? Is it possible he may have social anxiety or even selective mutism?

Oh no, he's not actually mute.
I mean he's quiet, but not wordless.
He's chatty with people he knows well.
He's shy with people he doesn't know well.

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HoppingLady · 04/11/2023 12:07

Looks like he’s got into a mindset of ‘I’m too shy to….’ which is hard. And then the more people tell him he’s shy & quiet the more he will retreat further. So he’s fighting against himself and the expectations of others. I think that mum of the bike riders is horrible tbh.

If it happened suddenly at age 10 I wonder if something happened to make him feel embarrassed?

I’ve always been quiet and shy but managed to get by and have always had friends as I’m fine 1-2-1. However it has hindered me in my career and I wish I had been able to address it earlier.

This does sound really extreme and it’s affecting his life a lot so I would find him some therapy. I do think the school should helping more though, does he have people to have lunch with? They need to pair him with a group, there will be others struggling making friends too.

LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 12:07

Comedycook · 04/11/2023 11:45

Found it...sorry I can't do links...but I found it in Amazon...it's called...How to Make & Keep Friends: Tips for Kids to Overcome 50 Common Social Challenges...by Nadine Briggs and Donna Shea.

That is amazing. How lovely of you to go to such an effort for me, what a sweetheart you are! Thank you! I will purchase this!xx

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NeedToChangeName · 04/11/2023 12:08

I expect that difficult friendship dynamnics in primary school have dented his confidence in personal relationships

Pressuring him to socialise with peers may be counter productive, unless you also work on his self esteem and inter personal skills

I'd take pressure off for a while, stop trying to arrange play dates for him and focus on developing confidence in talking to people more generally eg library staff, shopkeepers etc

Do you have pets? Some children really benefit from caring for animals, (1) to boost confidence by instilling responsibility and (2) as animals can't talk, you can confide in them without fear of judgement

madnessitellyou · 04/11/2023 12:08

Seriously op, drop the shy label.

If you tell him he's shy, he'll decide he's shy. Then he won't do all the things you want to do because he knows that he's shy, and shy people can't join in.

LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 12:08

Commonwasher · 04/11/2023 11:43

Is he anxious, generally I mean, not just about the friends situation? It’s early days for secondary school and it takes a while to find your people. If he hasn’t made a single friend by Christmas, I would ask to speak to someone in the pastoral/student support office, but it might be that he just hasn’t yet settled into the new school. it’s probably better just to reassure him that it’s early days and everyone is still settling, rather than to worry about whether he is making friends as this might make him anxious. Some people just need time to find their place, I’d bet there are others in a similar boat, they just need time to find each other.

Maybe get him to do the 16 Personalities quiz online for working out your personality type. It’s surprisingly handy knowing how you ‘tick’. It sounds like he might just be an introvert, and his natural introversion and lack of external ‘cues’ (the lack of obvious interaction or laughs/conversation) could be compounded by the change to a new school and all the awkwardness that goes with being a tween.

I do think it’s hard for boys who don’t do sports. Maybe something out of school like chess, computer programming or gym might get him out and meeting other people, outside the goldfish bowl of school, which will improve his confidence/social skills generally.

He has started having anxiety attacks. Since starting secondary school.
Never had them before.
They're horrible when they happen, and are happening randomly.
They are increasing in frequency.

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Diamondcurtains · 04/11/2023 12:08

My son was exactly the same in year 7 and year 8. He would never approach anyone. Not just at school either. He wouldn’t go up to pay in shops or anything. Around year 8/9 he found a good group of friends. He definitely found it easier to make friends with girls rather than boys but his group was very mixed. Now he’s 17 and at college. He has a large group of friends. He’s still shy about approaching people but definitely getting better. Ge starts a part time job on Monday, I had to take him for the interview though 😂. I’m hoping by being in a customer facing job it will help.