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To be so frustrated with shy child?

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LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 11:16

What do you do with shy 12 year old boys???
My 12 year old DS is sooooo shy with other kids.
He says he's desperate to make friends at his new secondary school.
But he's too shy to engage with anybody.
So he's not making any friends.
He really, really wants to be friends with people. He's not a loner who prefers his own company. He's a loner who looks at everyone around him and wants to make friends but doesn't know how to.
He started secondary school in September saying he was really looking forward to starting a new school and making new friends.
8 weeks in, he's made no friends at all.
There's 1 boy who he'd like to make friends with. So I've encouraged him to invite this boy to meet up outside of school. I helped him come up with ideas to suggest. I texted the boy's mum to try and help organise something. She said her DS would be up for meeting but that she is trying to encourage her DS to be independent so she said could they sort it out between them rather than us mums organising it. I explained this to DS and encouraged him to invite this boy to meet up. But he just will not invite him, even though he wants to meet up with him. After a few weeks of me trying hard to encourage him, last night he said "I'm not going to invite him out mum, I'm just too shy to ask him".
So that's that then.
Another new boy from new school invited him out for a bike ride with him and 3 others. My DS went, and came home 3 hours later full of smiles saying he'd had a great time. But since then, the mum of one of the boys has told me that the other kids all said my DS was really quiet and didn't talk at all or engage with the rest of the kids who were all chatting and joking whilst on their bikes. She said the other kids said my DS was too quiet. Yet my DS thought he had a brilliant time with them and asked them to let him know when theyre going again as hed like to join in, but meanwhile this other mum said the other kids probably won't invite him out next time because my DS was so quiet they thought he wasn't having fun with them. When in fact he told me he had really good fun, so I relayed this to the mum, but she said "Well they've met up a few times since then but didn't invite your DS because he was so quiet". DS has seen them out cycling round together without him and looked crestfallen.
There's another boy he likes, so I've texted that mum and she told me she leaves her DS to arrange his own social life now he's started secondary. So I've told my DS this and encouraged him to invite this boy over to ours or to meet up, but again, my DS won't invite him.
He's been going to an out of school club for 1 year and hasn't made a single friend there.
He hates competitive sports, so he will not join any football or rugby groups (much to my DH's frustration - DH is not sports mad but he insists a team sport would be good for DS's confidence, but DS refuses). He tried cricket but dropped out after 2 months. I've suggested judo at my DH's suggestion - flat no, he absolutely hated the look of it when I showed him kids of his age doing judo on YouTube.
In primary, he had 5 friends but the dynamics between them in year 6 were awful, constant fall outs and unpleasant behaviour on a non stop basis, a lot of horrible behaviour aimed at him (as well as at each other) so they've all fallen by the wayside now.
DS is a brilliant person. He talks loads at home, really makes us all laugh, has amazing insight into things (insight that is superior to his age), understands people really well, has very high levels of emotional intelligence - there are so many situations on this level that he just 'gets' and can talk eloquently about things on an emotional level that other mums tell me their kids of same age can't do or don't get at all, he has lots of interests (but none them transfer in to clubs). He gets on brilliantly with his sister, who is not shy at all.
It's really weird - when he was a little boy he wasn't shy at all. He ran around with a big bright happy open expression on his face, he was born with a "Hello world!" temperament. Then around the age of 10, shyness kicked in, and 2 years later it's much worse. He's getting more shy as he gets older.
I can see that this comes across really badly to other kids.
We were out at an event the other evening, and throughout the event, several boys in his school year that know him smiled and said Hi to him on individual occasions (not a group of boys, but 1 boy, then 10 mins later another boy, etc.) and DS didn't smile back at any of them. He did reply to each of them with a hello, but he came across as so stand offish. I talked to him the next day about how he came across to them, but he just said "I'm so shy mum, I freeze and clam up when they speak to me, I hate it but I don't know what to do because I can't help it".
I've encouraged him to join clubs at school but he won't because he doesn't know anyone. Obviously I've explained that no-one knows anyone at first, but you go and then you get to know people. But he will not go.
I'm at the point where I despair.
I can see him spending 5 years at school not making any friends.
If he didn't care about friends and was happy in his own little world then I'd think fine, that's just how he is. But he tells me he really, really wants to make friends.
I've talked to his school about it and asked for their support, and they said he needs to join school clubs. That was their only solution and 3 different staff members have all said the same thing. But he won't go to these clubs.
So what do I do?!?

OP posts:
eurotravel · 04/11/2023 12:37

To be blunt he has no way of making mates if he's not got a phone and is not on WAp or snap. That's how they chat / interact / make arrangements.
He's socially excluded as a result. Most kids get one in Yr6 and learn to navigate stuff. That's what the other mums are telling you - their kids sort own social lives as they'll all assume he had a smart phone

Misspacorabanne · 04/11/2023 12:42

It sounds like he could be selective mute.
My ds is too, chatty at home but mute at school (says very very little) it’s due to high anxiety and can be linked to asd.

Totaly · 04/11/2023 12:42

Have you approached school?

They will have some form of student support and friendship groups - they’ll be other kids in his school the same.

Plus you can monitor the text messages - you can show him the delete button and if he doesn’t respond then they’ll go away by themselves.

The biggest issue is so many kids are taught to ‘perform’ all loud and over SM via their parents - they don’t know any different and it pushes the quieter kids away.

Im surprised he doesn’t have a phone and that you are trying to organize play date for him - if you want him to be independent you need to give him those skills and tools.

SoupDragon · 04/11/2023 12:43

I agree. Get him a phone and a SIM from somewhere like GiffGaff - they have some really cheap "goody bag" tariffs that you can change each month if you find there is too much or too little data for example.

To a certain extent he has to grit his teeth and force himself to talk. I had to to this with the other school mums when DC started at Primary because I am really shy and would otherwise not have had anyone to talk to. It wasn't easy but the payback was worth it. Easy to understand as an adult though I guess.

Delpf · 04/11/2023 12:43

Role play and get him to join a drama club. Explain to him that you need to 'fake it til you make it'. Tell him that no one feels confident when making new friends/everyone is scared of someone saying no to their invitation. Go through what to say/how to act if if someone says no. Make sure you model confidence in social interactions when you're out and about with DS.

Agree with other posters - don't call him shy or agree with him that he's shy! Prime him for confidence!

Seaglass7 · 04/11/2023 12:43

Has he asked for a phone, OP?

Nn9011 · 04/11/2023 12:44

I think there are a few things that could be at play -
1 - could he be neurodivergent? Seeming more emotionally intelligent or able to have conversations at adult level but not kid level is not something talked about but a lot of adults being diagnosed with autism will say this is because they know what to expect/how to have those conversations - it's modelled for them in family dynamics etc. Anxiety around social situations is also very common amongst ND kids/adults. It's the not necessarily understanding how to communicate or the social rules you should follow. The fact your son was quiet and had a great time but the other kids thought the opposite makes me think he maybe doesn't understand this part of friendship.
2 - there have to be conversations about safety but going into big school without a mobile phone is one way you'll absolutely be singled out as strange. Is it possible he doesn't want to text because he'll have to admit he is using your phone? You wouldn't even have to give a top of the line iPhone, there are a lot of Android phones which look decent but are cheaper to pay for.

Commonwasher · 04/11/2023 12:44

have you told anyone at school about this? If not, I would definitely raise it. His form tutor is the place to start but also ask to speak to someone on the pastoral care/welfare team, as although secondary school is daunting, if he is having panic/anxiety attacks then he needs a bit more support.

TheresaBouvey · 04/11/2023 12:45

There is nothing wrong with being shy, and shy kids can find their own tribe

however, having a slightly overbearing mum (sorry) and no phone would def make him a social outcast.

kids need to get used to phones, they can block/report nasty messages etc

gosh he must be so lonely

please get him a phone

MyAnacondaMight · 04/11/2023 12:45

You’ve got to get him a phone. Without it, you’re the problem.

eurotravel · 04/11/2023 12:46

If my Yr7 lad got a mum trying to arrange their child a play date or meet up in Yr7 he'd think it was very wierd. Even worse if that child then was so quiet he didn't seem to want to be there. So no they wouldn't bother again going out of their way to try and catch him to invite.
If he had a phone and was on groups, when someone posts 'anyone on fortnite / fifa / going park, he could just say yes and do it

DeeCeeCherry · 04/11/2023 12:47

I think its really good he can vocalise this to you. I also think you should back off a bit. You can't organise his friendships and social life, although it's very understandable why you want to.
Hypnotherapy for social anxiety, confidence etc. Either in person, online, or pre-recorded (scrutinise all reviews of course). I like the Paul McKenna book + CD/download ones too. Good Hypnotherapy can be absolutely life-changing.

Also agree with others about the phone issue. There are so many sites now where you can buy decent 2nd hand phones. Then do SIM only deal, thats £10-12 monthly.

Payrisen · 04/11/2023 12:49

How do you think those 3 boys arrange to meet up on their bikes? It is not through their mums. It will be via phone.

Kids (even sixth form kids) do not like calling/talking when texts/Whats App/SM is an option.

So another one saying phone. You can have access to it - but that is how social interactions happen these days.

An old phone is fine. Get him a SIM only deal - my 15 year old is fine with a £6 per month deal from GiffGaff.
I get the "phone-fear" but he is going to get one as some point....but delaying it will mean he misses out on this social aspect.

CalamityA · 04/11/2023 12:50

I feel your pain OP. My 9 year old DS has always struggled socially.

However a massive game changer for him has been gaming. He plays Fortnite or Roblox with his peers and suddenly is being included in more things at school. So it's had a massive knock on impact.

Has he got a gaming device?

Alifestylechoice · 04/11/2023 12:51

He needs a phone, that’s really mean of you.

could be be neurodiverse?

Kayte198999 · 04/11/2023 12:57

I was a very shy child so I really feel for your DS, it can be very lonely and scary. I also remember coming home from get-togethers and thinking I'd had a great time when in reality I'd barely said two sentences! At school you really have to just get chatting to the people next to you and latch onto someone/a group until you find your feet.

One of my friends said his parents sent him on a public speaking course when he was younger which basically cured his shyness, would your DS be up for trying something like that? It will probably be full of other shy kids too if that would encourage him. Shyness and social anxiety can often come from low self-esteem so he might also benefit from some CBT. He definitely needs all the support you can give him, I struggled so much by the time I got to college and things might have been different if my parents had tried to help

BettyBakesCakes · 04/11/2023 12:57

Oh no, he's not actually mute.
I mean he's quiet, but not wordless.
He's chatty with people he knows well.
He's shy with people he doesn't know well.

none of that means he can't have sm

JackGrealishsCalves · 04/11/2023 12:57

Diamondcurtains · 04/11/2023 12:08

My son was exactly the same in year 7 and year 8. He would never approach anyone. Not just at school either. He wouldn’t go up to pay in shops or anything. Around year 8/9 he found a good group of friends. He definitely found it easier to make friends with girls rather than boys but his group was very mixed. Now he’s 17 and at college. He has a large group of friends. He’s still shy about approaching people but definitely getting better. Ge starts a part time job on Monday, I had to take him for the interview though 😂. I’m hoping by being in a customer facing job it will help.

My ds was like this too, he had a friend in Yr 7 but the friend was quite toxic and it knocked his already timid confidence, year 8 he didn't really have friends.
What changed that was a new lad from his school who joined his football team and they just clicked.
He started Uni this year and said you know I struggle to make new friends 😢.
Thankfully he made friends quickly there.
OP you can't force friendships for him but you can support him as pp's have mentioned especially getting him a phone, just keep an eye on his SM.
And do keep trying him with interests/clubs.
My heart genuinely breaks for your ds and for you, I hope things improve xx

MumblesParty · 04/11/2023 13:01

He needs a phone. I’m sure that he’ll find it easier to communicate via Snapchat or whatever, and can establish friendships for kids from school from the comfort of home, without the anxiety of someone being in front of him.

ttcat37 · 04/11/2023 13:02

Would he be interested in something like board games (d&d or similar) or warhammer? They often attract a lot of shy children or children who struggle with social skills. Perhaps when he’s around children shyer or as shy as him he might be more comfortable. There are some amazing board game and warhammer cafes around.
For what it’s worth, I’m with you re the phone. I’ve seen the absolutely toxic abuse that gets spouted between ‘children’ and there is no way I’d want my child exposed to that. I’d rather my child be a bit left out than be sent the awful stuff that seems to be so commonly sent around.

User69611 · 04/11/2023 13:04

CBT therapy for social anxiety disorder, take him to GP and ask for CAMHS referral. It’s very effective!

HeffyAgain · 04/11/2023 13:09

Can you not see the issue with you trying to organise his social life with your mobile phone?
The other kids are probably mortified on your sons behalf, no one organises play dates for year 7's onwards.
Also please stop texting the other mums (how do you get their numbers?) It puts them in an awkward position, their kids are sorting their own social lives, not the mothers!

Thedm · 04/11/2023 13:10

So he hasn’t got a phone and his mum is still texting other mums to arrange play dates?

Yeah… this is on you, not just him. You need to realise that he is growing up, kids his age don’t arrange things through their parents. They text each other. If he had a phone, he wouldn’t have to approach them in school to ask them round. He could send a text. You could help him with writing the text while he learns all this, but then his friends won’t know his mum is helping him.

They’ll all still be looking at him as a little kid whilst they start to grow up. You need to let him grow up. Get the kid a phone this weekend.

LilyLemonade · 04/11/2023 13:11

Like a few pp, I think a few sessions of therapy would really help. It sounds like he needs to get past the bullying that happened.

I find it a pity that the mums you've approached couldn't meet you half-way; it sounds like your DS needs a few social successes to put him back on a more positive trajectory.

Lastly I would also recommend drama. Shy children can thrive pretending to be someone else.

Thedm · 04/11/2023 13:17

You have to find the money for a phone. It actually is a necessary item for an almost teen. Not something you can opt out of, not if you want him to fit in and make friends.