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To be so frustrated with shy child?

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LolleePopp · 04/11/2023 11:16

What do you do with shy 12 year old boys???
My 12 year old DS is sooooo shy with other kids.
He says he's desperate to make friends at his new secondary school.
But he's too shy to engage with anybody.
So he's not making any friends.
He really, really wants to be friends with people. He's not a loner who prefers his own company. He's a loner who looks at everyone around him and wants to make friends but doesn't know how to.
He started secondary school in September saying he was really looking forward to starting a new school and making new friends.
8 weeks in, he's made no friends at all.
There's 1 boy who he'd like to make friends with. So I've encouraged him to invite this boy to meet up outside of school. I helped him come up with ideas to suggest. I texted the boy's mum to try and help organise something. She said her DS would be up for meeting but that she is trying to encourage her DS to be independent so she said could they sort it out between them rather than us mums organising it. I explained this to DS and encouraged him to invite this boy to meet up. But he just will not invite him, even though he wants to meet up with him. After a few weeks of me trying hard to encourage him, last night he said "I'm not going to invite him out mum, I'm just too shy to ask him".
So that's that then.
Another new boy from new school invited him out for a bike ride with him and 3 others. My DS went, and came home 3 hours later full of smiles saying he'd had a great time. But since then, the mum of one of the boys has told me that the other kids all said my DS was really quiet and didn't talk at all or engage with the rest of the kids who were all chatting and joking whilst on their bikes. She said the other kids said my DS was too quiet. Yet my DS thought he had a brilliant time with them and asked them to let him know when theyre going again as hed like to join in, but meanwhile this other mum said the other kids probably won't invite him out next time because my DS was so quiet they thought he wasn't having fun with them. When in fact he told me he had really good fun, so I relayed this to the mum, but she said "Well they've met up a few times since then but didn't invite your DS because he was so quiet". DS has seen them out cycling round together without him and looked crestfallen.
There's another boy he likes, so I've texted that mum and she told me she leaves her DS to arrange his own social life now he's started secondary. So I've told my DS this and encouraged him to invite this boy over to ours or to meet up, but again, my DS won't invite him.
He's been going to an out of school club for 1 year and hasn't made a single friend there.
He hates competitive sports, so he will not join any football or rugby groups (much to my DH's frustration - DH is not sports mad but he insists a team sport would be good for DS's confidence, but DS refuses). He tried cricket but dropped out after 2 months. I've suggested judo at my DH's suggestion - flat no, he absolutely hated the look of it when I showed him kids of his age doing judo on YouTube.
In primary, he had 5 friends but the dynamics between them in year 6 were awful, constant fall outs and unpleasant behaviour on a non stop basis, a lot of horrible behaviour aimed at him (as well as at each other) so they've all fallen by the wayside now.
DS is a brilliant person. He talks loads at home, really makes us all laugh, has amazing insight into things (insight that is superior to his age), understands people really well, has very high levels of emotional intelligence - there are so many situations on this level that he just 'gets' and can talk eloquently about things on an emotional level that other mums tell me their kids of same age can't do or don't get at all, he has lots of interests (but none them transfer in to clubs). He gets on brilliantly with his sister, who is not shy at all.
It's really weird - when he was a little boy he wasn't shy at all. He ran around with a big bright happy open expression on his face, he was born with a "Hello world!" temperament. Then around the age of 10, shyness kicked in, and 2 years later it's much worse. He's getting more shy as he gets older.
I can see that this comes across really badly to other kids.
We were out at an event the other evening, and throughout the event, several boys in his school year that know him smiled and said Hi to him on individual occasions (not a group of boys, but 1 boy, then 10 mins later another boy, etc.) and DS didn't smile back at any of them. He did reply to each of them with a hello, but he came across as so stand offish. I talked to him the next day about how he came across to them, but he just said "I'm so shy mum, I freeze and clam up when they speak to me, I hate it but I don't know what to do because I can't help it".
I've encouraged him to join clubs at school but he won't because he doesn't know anyone. Obviously I've explained that no-one knows anyone at first, but you go and then you get to know people. But he will not go.
I'm at the point where I despair.
I can see him spending 5 years at school not making any friends.
If he didn't care about friends and was happy in his own little world then I'd think fine, that's just how he is. But he tells me he really, really wants to make friends.
I've talked to his school about it and asked for their support, and they said he needs to join school clubs. That was their only solution and 3 different staff members have all said the same thing. But he won't go to these clubs.
So what do I do?!?

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Bossie21 · 06/11/2023 13:46

I have been through this with middle child. He never really made friends at school very easily it even when he did they’d last 6-12 months then they’d move on to new friends. I worries for years about him, kept me awake at night. He was bullied in year 8 and I coached him to stand up to them which he did but he still went through school without any friends. He missed GCSEs due to Covid but then went to college, made some friends but the same thing happened.
He left college and got the perfect job for him in the field of his favourite sport.
what a change, he now has 3/4 close friends, a girlfriend, goes for a drink with work mates. He’s 19 and happy and living a great life and is a truly lovely person. He’s quite and not life and soul of the party and I doubt he ever will be.
how I wish I’d not worried.
what I would say is take the pressure of you and him, enjoy life and doing things together that he likes. Let him know being quiet is fine and I am sure he will blossom. We are all different and it’s not wrong.
Parenting, the toughest job in the world but the most rewarding 😁

LongDarkTeatime · 06/11/2023 13:51

@LolleePopp we could write exactly the same description of our DS. DS is brilliant and kind and friendly, desperately wants friends but seems to not understand how to manage it.
Over the last couple of years we’ve had a lot of the advice others have offered here. Finally, even though we thought it was a waste of time, we had an Asperger’s/autism assessment as someone had suggested. The outcome of the really good assessment was that DS is what would have previously been call Asperger’s (now all called autism) and needs some specific help with his social skills. It all made sense in the long report as different difficulties he works hard to manage have led to this social problem. DS is so much happier as he feels he understands himself much better now. We’re looking into ways to help him develop the skills he needs now we understand more of the issues he needs to get around.
Good luck and I hope you find the right support for your DS.

Nanny0gg · 06/11/2023 13:55

DogFish632 · 04/11/2023 18:01

Gosh - your update changes everything.

The poor boy is traumatised and is being forced into a social world with his tormentors.

No wonder he's shut down. It sounds like safety behaviour.

I would seriously think about moving schools. Not sure there's any coming back from history like that.

I second this

I have experience of a very shit secondary school

They won't help

SashaRose · 06/11/2023 14:09

I’ve not RTFT and it’s been a long time since I was at school but I really struggled with shyness and social anxiety in yr 7 and 8 then when the classes were mixed up at yr 9 found my group and things got much better.

It might be that’s he’s just not found the right friends for him yet, I know it’s not a lot of help to him right now but it’s a big world with lots of people who have different personalities and interests and I’m sure he’ll find his way.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 06/11/2023 14:51

He desperately needs to have access to his peers so get him a decent phone. I'd look into social story apps, although your child is not ASD they may find the visuals that make up social stories helpful in giving tips on how to approach or respond to social situations. My DH used to be mute in social situations but he just didn't feel the need. I found it very weird and knew others found it awkward when he didn't join in any conversation but in time he just got more confident. Still v quiet but joins in more now. Your DS needs to build up confidence by interacting himself.

Workawayxx · 06/11/2023 15:04

So sorry for your poor ds. It sounds like he needs some help to unpick the trauma of the past bullying as well as helping with strategies. Can you go to the gp and ask about some counselling/therapy help? I’m sure there’s a ridiculous waiting list but maybe good to get on it at least.

I have a ds in year 7 who considers himself quite cool (not that he’d use that word 🤣) and he does scouts and is quite proud of it, he certainly doesn’t hide it from friends and it’s great as he interacts with different kids than who he’s friends with at school. So I’d definitely recommend it. They’re also in patrols with older kids which I think is helpful in creating a bit of monitoring as well as mentoring. They play games as well as doing activities so there’s something to focus on without needing to be chatty.

NeedToChangeName · 07/11/2023 15:37

@LolleePopp has this thread been helpful? I hope so. I think you've had lots of good advice

Blondeshavemorefun · 07/11/2023 16:45

Hopefully the first thing @LolleePopp will do is get a cheap phone /sim

Then get some numbers and hopefully text to meet up

WitcheryDivine · 07/11/2023 17:22

This sounds just like a relative of mine. Now an adult, he would call himself autistic even though he's not had a diagnosis.

I think it just made it harder for him to understand the "rules" of secondary school - and they're hard enough anyway.

As for things like scouts, or even chess club or anime club or salsa dancing or ANYTHING - if he's a target for bullying anyway, people will bully him for going, yes. But avoiding doing things doesn't fend off the bullying. I'm afraid if it's not being bullied for going to scouts it's being bullied for having no friends or having a weirdly shaped neck or a funny surname or a different bag or answering a question in class, or NOT answering a question in class. So there is NO POINT avoiding having fun or getting involved, it won't solve the issue. Please advocate for him to do music, scouts, anything that he fancies he should try it.

The way your son needs to learn to deal with it is to be utterly unphased by any stupid shit other kids say about him. It needs to just be noise to him. He needs to genuinely see it (or at least convincingly fake it) as if the people saying things are boring and a bit weird. If they say he's poor because he doesn't have a phone, he needs to be able to shrug it off, or say "so?" or "why do you care so much about whether I've got a phone?" and kind of weather it out. (Not hunch, look crushed, get angry or cry.) I've seen this kind of behaviour work, I think because it removes the "fuel" from the bullies. There's nothing for them to work with.

The100AcreWood · 07/11/2023 23:28

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