To ask these questions about Palestine

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Why did the Palestinians vote hamas in?

Why don't they topple their government?

Why haven't the rich countries in the ME been pouring money into Palestine over the past few years? Don't they consider that area holy land/aren't they interested in protecting it?

Just as Europe opened its borders to the refugees of Ukraine, why hasn't the ME done the same for Palestine?

I understand Iran funds Hamas. But why?

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All very good questions.
All the millions of dollars of aid should have enabled the Palestinians to have a decent standard of life. I think we know how the money was spent.
They're pawns in a terrible situation. It's not about improving their lives, or questioning borders, or trying to live in peace for Hamas. It's the destruction of Israel. From the river to the sea, as they say.
It's tragic and it'll be difficult to find a way forward. Meanwhile, more pain and misery.

The other Arab countries believe Israel wants to get all the Arabs out, so if they took them as refugees Israel will never allow them back and will therefore have won. Not allowing Israel to win is more important that letting Gazans out to safety.

Iran and Hamas and all jihadist groups agree that non-muslims can't have sovereignty over any part of lands previously conquered by Islam.

I'm glad these questions are being asked and answered and analysed. Makes a change from the blind "Free Palestine" rhetoric that is pure ignorance and brooks no discussion.

I'm also interested in Egypt's response. They used to occupy Gaza and have a land border. They've so far been reluctant to get involved.

Hammas promised change and hope from an extremely corrupt previous gov.
Then they cracked down, seized power etc and no elections since. People who speak out are beaten or disappeared.
The people are trapped.

The people are also young and many young men will have known no other government or regime.

Apparently they are very close the the brotherhood that ejgpt had banned so they don't want to risk then coming to their border

Yes, I think it would be too much of a headache for Egypt. They certainly don't want Hamas coming in.

@DavidSnow007
But why Iran specifically?

There was a gap in the fence and after many many years people from gaza under strict conditions had been allowed to enter Israel to work.

This was badly needed and was working well. This doesn't suit hammas they don't want Palestine to work well.
They don't want to see people escaping either. What suits them is to show the world crying dying children and blaming everyone else for it...

"Iran and Hamas and all jihadist groups agree that non-muslims can't have sovereignty over any part of lands previously conquered by Islam"

This is one of the most important parts of the whole conflict, often willfully over looked or in fact agreed on by many Westerners.

Its mainly this point I don't get. Surely if all ME countries, especially Saudi, the UAE etc absolutely blasted Palestine with money, the Palestinians wouldn't have a problem. And it would totally be in the ME's interests to do so?

I think that it's been reduced to slogans or memes, which suggests that it's an easy conflict to solve. The ignorance around basic History and Geography is astounding.

They're one of the regimes that takes their governing religion most seriously, and they're on the other side of the US/NATO/Israel alliance, while Saudi was, until recently at least, on the US side.

I can totally understand them not wanting to be involved to be honest. Who would want to stir up hatred from either Hamas or Israel? Egypt would only suffer in either scenario.

I think Israel had just granted a further 20000 work permits to Gazans prior to the current war..

No, not a further, 20K in total

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-09-22/ty-article/.premium/defense-ministry-expands-number-of-israeli-work-permits-for-gazans/00000183-6548-db87-a18f-67fc94e40000

And all of this mess has been made worse by Netanyahu

No. The idea that lack of money causes terrorism, or that money can resolve all conflicts, is a left wing one founded only in leftist dogma. It's also easily believed by 21st century westerners who are generally materialistic if not atheistic and can't really understand any more that people can be motivated by their religious beliefs. Which is ironic because most such westerners have no problem explaining their own behaviour as often motivated by beliefs and values, and would be rather offended if you suggested it was just money and power that drives them.

@DavidSnow007 so so bloody incorrect.
The quantity describes Jewish people along with chiristians as 'people of the book' meaning along with Muslims they believe in the one true God.
They are actually given respect and held in higher esteem than 'non believers'

The Quran not the quantity

Our government isn’t very popular at the moment, can we topple ours? The voting system is not representative - look at the Electoral Reform Society for details.
Did the anti- Brexit protests achieve anything at all?

Why do you expect civilians elsewhere to have more power than us here, in a supposedly settled country?

It wouldn't stir up hatred from Israel if they took in every refugee from Gaza. I think Israel would be very happy with that. That's why Egypt won't do it. That and they have enough problems with jihadists themselves and don't need more. They're not suicidal like western civilization.