To ask these questions about Palestine

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Why did the Palestinians vote hamas in?

Why don't they topple their government?

Why haven't the rich countries in the ME been pouring money into Palestine over the past few years? Don't they consider that area holy land/aren't they interested in protecting it?

Just as Europe opened its borders to the refugees of Ukraine, why hasn't the ME done the same for Palestine?

I understand Iran funds Hamas. But why?

Reported.

Have you not noticed how Hamas and Free Palestine have reversed the roles of victim and offender such that the Palestinian perpetrators assume the victim role

Bit difficult from Israel to claim they are the sole victims which is what you are trying to imply here.

Burma was also peacefully split from India by the Brits. The Peel Commission, unlike you, was aware of these successful precedents of partition and population transfer and, very reasonably, saw it as the only possible solution

Burma? Oh sure, no post-independence problems for Burma 😂

Did you get around to finding out why Iran supports Hamas yet? Or are you just going to keep sharing your knowledge with the rest of us in the meantime?

@Pollyputhekettleon I am left wing and proud of it. So your rather goady comment has provoked a response. Left wing means I believe that all humans are equal: that I believe in unalienable human rights and dignity. In the right to life, to an education and the right to practice religious freedom.
Don't use that as an insult please, because all it has done is shown that you are on the side of the coloniser, and that you have right wing views which are entirely compatible with those of Netanyahu's government so it will be impossible to have a sensible discussion around a peaceful future for the region as it seems you may believe that some humans are less equal than others.
Of course there's going to be conflict when a colonial power retreats but there's also responsibility to protect citizens and civilians who have assumed they were part of an empire.
Cyprus was indeed another ex colony with a line drawn arbitrarily down the middle- that's why there are Greek Cypriots in London.
If you think Canada, NZ and Australia have done "just fine" you're missing the point entirely. Why not ask some of the Indigenous peoples how they feel about that?

This thread is now full of deletions... not making sense

I’m glad mnhq have deleted those posts.

I absolutely don't care if you find me 'goady', whatever that means. I don't care if you claim I believe some humans are less equal than others. None of that shit works on me. And in future, there's no need for all the wordiness. You can just shriek racist and save everyone time.

I don't care what you believe being left wing means. I'm describing certain left dogmas that I believe are both false and harmful.

I didn't claim that Canada, New Zealand or Australia were delightful utopias, since that wasn't the point of the discussion. They're not Afghanistan, and the reasons for that are exactly what I said they are.

As you've descended into name-calling and incoherence because you don't have an argument, I won't be engaging with you further.

Did you get around to finding out why Iran supports Hamas yet? Or are you just going to keep sharing your knowledge with the rest of us in the meantime?

Its the latter I’m afraid

@Pollyputhekettleon I think you started name calling by talking about leftists when you couldn't think of a better argument?
That's the kind of problem that we face here, "you fill in the blanks group ---- are racist because you disagree with me"
We need to get past this and sit down and look at what CAN be done. And own up to some of the bad stuff. And sit with it till we can find some compassion for each other.

Would it be justified if Iran got involved in a military capacity?

I totally agree. At last a sensible thread about this.

Most European countries gave Ukrainians limited time visas. I'm in Ireland, I think it was a 3 year visa we gave? Palestinians are on the whole nationless and stateless . They will not be able to go back ever. Nobody has said that Ukrainians chose the war but they will have the option to go home, lots have already if even just for a visit. Palestinians would never be able to go home. They have no right of return. Counties wouldn't be taking on temporary refugees they would be taking on people that will need to be become citizens.

Lots of Palestinians do not want to lose their homeland forever. This isn't about their house being bombed and having nowhere to go back to, it is about not having the right to step back over the border ever again. It isn't the same thing as Ukraine no matter how hard you try and make it so.

'Talking about leftists'. I love it. People really get triggered when I point to the role of left wing ideology in all this don't they?

You want unnamed people to own up to some of the bad stuff but you want me to stop talking about what I believe to be some of the root causes of this conflict? I don't think so.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12643229/Israel-blast-Gaza-hospital-Palestine-video-rocket-misfire.html

'It's from us? It looks like it!': Israel releases 'audio of Hamas operatives discussing failed rocket launch' and video showing missile exploding in the sky moments before blast killed hundreds at Gaza hospital

Typical Hamas.

@Pollyputhekettleon you would probably be "triggered" if I called you a fascist sympathiser, because you've literally criticised "leftist anti imperialist dogma". Do you agree with imperialism then ?
You're obviously happy with right wing views, would you suggest we all welcome our new imperial masters ( whoever they are) ? Do you think that people in Palestine should be happy to be colonised ? Do you love that ?

The Palestinians last voted 17 years ago. And Hamas of 44% of the vote.

That means no Palestinian under the age of 35 has EVER voted.

And do you know what the average age in Gaza is? It's about 19 I think.

Oh have a cup of tea and a lie down.

Oh have a cup of tea and a lie down

I'll take that as a yes then @Pollyputhekettleon ?

Have you seen the opinion polls people have posted many times on these threads about Gazan attitudes to terrorist groups? They seem to show pretty clearly that the majority of them do support the terrorist groups there, of which Hamas is of course only one.

"god bless them couldn't it have found somewhere else to do explode"

Hammas.

The sheer outrage of posters claiming Israel had bombed a hospital and killed 500.
Guess what, they didn't. Hamas destroyed the hospital and kill innocent people. Predictably, they blamed Israel, plus ça change.

The sheer outrage of posters claiming Israel had bombed a hospital and killed 500.
Guess what, they didn't. Hamas destroyed the hospital and kill innocent people. Predictably, they blamed Israel, plus ça change.

Er..Israel is bombing Gaza. The hospital is in Gaza.
Guess what, it’s more than likely Israel bombed it.

@Pollyputhekettleon if that’s even true, ask yourself why that may be ? Contrary to the false narratives peddled by Israel and some international media, Palestinians are not born with an innate hatred of Jews or Israelis. They just want to live in dignity and enjoy basic rights and freedoms. They want their children to be safe and healthy. They want to be employed. Being born into poverty, constantly bombed, living in fear under oppression and blockade, being denied freedom of movement etc. could engender some ill feeling don’t you think? As could the fact that they’ve been repeatedly failed by the regional and international community who continue to see their lives as not worth as much as Israeli lives and dehumanize them and their experience. I’d say all of that is enough to make them susceptible to propaganda by these groups who probably tell them they’re the only ones fighting for their freedom and futures.