To think it’s turning into genocide in real time

[Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73]

Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide.

What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this is also beyond appalling too. Its trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Over 500 kids have already died. Human rights watch have verified that Israel uses white phosphorus against Gaza, which is a war crime.

And everyone is just watching it happen.

“The Israeli army has just ordered the entire civilian population of Gaza to evacuate south within 24 hours. The UN says that amounts to 1.1 million people& applies to 100s of 1000s sheltered in UN buildings & their staff. This is impossible without “devastating human consequences”
Leaving aside the international law implications, I cannot emphasise enough how impossible this kind of movement of people would be. I have spent a lot of time in Gaza it is one of the most densely populated places on earth, there are pretty much only 2 roads south - along the coast and down the centre - they aren’t wide or well paved. I spoke to the gaza health ministry yesterday who said every hospital was overflowing. How would the wounded and elderly be transported? There is a massive fuel shortage how would vehicles drive? There would be no where for 1.1 million to go even if they got there. Rafah crossing to Egypt is not operational because of Israeli airstrikes.”

This is how Genocide is classified;
U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

• Killing members of the group;

• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

The actions of both Israel & Hamas fit this description too. It’s just fucking beyond terrible. And it feels like some world leaders are just cheering from the sidelines 😪

The aid being delivered today is from WHO and is medical aid only

So no food today?

No further news on whether hospitals have now run out of fuel to generate electricity as announced yesterday

I just saw on the bbc that it says 20 trucks allowed in. How utterly mean minded. Why would they limit aid? It's so horrible.

There you go again with your cryptic weird posts.
I’m here because I hate to see children being murdered and starved in real
time. I want deescalation to happen no matter how difficult people may find it to let go of the past or much work it takes.
What’s your angle?

Because the US and Israel don't care if Palestinians die. Well, it seems the Israelis actively want them to die so they can steal even more of their land.

The aid thing is crazy. It's a tiny amount and the Israelis continue to bomb the Palestinian population into oblivion so the whole thing seems quite pointless.

Yes I'm sure it's got nothing to do with continued rocket attacks, more attempts to attack by sea and the fact they still have 200 hostages 🤦🏻‍♀️ Israel needs something to barter with because Hamas, Islamic Jihad and "opportunistic civilians from Gaza" have hostages. Yes, that's right. Opportunistic civilians.

What do you suggest Israel do to try and get the hostages back? I'm sure they'd love to hear some of your great suggestions, no doubt they'll be super effective and minimise deaths and suffering on both sides.

Israel don't want Gaza and they don't want to kill Palestinians. They want to get rid of all terrorists. They need to get rid of all terrorists. Otherwise there'll be another slaughter of innocent civilians in Israel in a few weeks/months/years. I'm not sure why people don't seem to understand that. You can't fight terrorists with diplomacy since they aren't interested in it - they are the ones calling for genocide of all Jews from Israel, and all over the world. They're the ones who committed war crimes by kidnapping over 200 people. But Israel is expected to rise above it and let them do it all over again? Absurd beyond belief.

I hope for peace soon, and that no more Palestinians will suffer. I want the Palestinians to rebuild and prosper. For that to happen, they need to rid themselves of all terrorists, including the "opportunistic civilians" who thought it was appropriate to kidnap innocent civilians from Israel.

Maybe take hamas up on their offer of returning civilian hostages for a ceasefire?

We'd like all the hostages back, thanks. Not just the ones they consider civilian. Plus, maybe people would take them mentioning a ceasefire more seriously if they stopped firing rockets at Israel?

Do you think holding hostages is a fair tactic? They do this on a regular basis and it needs to stop

Keep remembering that 50% of the Gazan population is under 19. They are not Hamas, didn’t vote for Hamas, have no power to remove Hamas.

I would not like my child to have to pay for the acts of a criminal of my nationality. Can’t catch the criminal? Make a random child pay instead. It’s not right. It’ll never be right and future children on both sides (because there are criminals on both sides) will just have to keep on paying.

Nope. This murdering of innocent children is no better than what’s gone before and will escalate and perpetuate the situation.

Do you genuinely think what Israel are currently doing makes their country a safer place? I'd imagine it puts their country in the firing line for more anger and terrorism. An eye for an eye and the world becomes blind.

@Panaa

"The crime of apartheid doesn't have to be 'within a state'. You've just added that yourself.

It's completely incorrect to make out that only Hamas could be guilty of it within Gaza. If another power from outside is able to systematically oppress those inside a state then of course that can be apartheid."

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Look Palestinian civilians are suffering horrifically right now in Gaza but that doesn't mean you can take an emotionally charged word such as apartheid which is widely recognised as a abhorrent system (but not widely understood) and then insert an entirely new meaning to it. To do so is due to not understanding what apartheid is.

Apartheid is an institutional system of racial segregation and discrimination. It is institutional meaning that the governing entity creates rules and a system that racially segregates and discriminates. The governing entity in Gaza is Hamas, Israel cannot create an apartheid system in Gaza because it is not the governing entity- Hamas is.

I appreciate that Israel through having differing property laws applying to either Arabs or Jews living in pre 1967 Israel are guilty of discrimination but this is not institutional segregation-there are for example no Arab park benches only or buses for Jews only.

I recognise that it now popular to throw around emotionally charged words describing politics and policies as insults (fascism, neo Nazi, Communists etc) but this doesn't make it factually correct it just shows a lack of knowledge.

Maybe not Arab or Jew buses or benches, but in the West Bank there are plenty of roads where Palestinians are not allowed to drive. I believe some of them they are allowed to walk down but can't drive even to cross them.

How is that not apartheid?

HUGE palestine solidarity March in London today- I saw estimates of 250k people on Sky. I think the strength of feeling is bigger than anyone realises - people just want peace and an end to the violence on both sides. People don’t want to watch thousands of children being blown up live on TV.

@Totalblindnessofthesoul

"Maybe not Arab or Jew buses or benches, but in the West Bank there are plenty of roads where Palestinians are not allowed to drive. I believe some of them they are allowed to walk down but can't drive even to cross them.

How is that not apartheid"

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The roads you refer to in the West Bank are newly constructed roads and checkpoints that the Israelis argue are for security purposes of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

However given that the West Bank is a Palestinian (Fatah) controlled territory/ country then Israel shouldn't be building anything at all there be it roads, houses, checkpoints or whatever.

Instead this is an illegal settlement of another country against their wishes but it is still not apartheid.

@Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73

"HUGE palestine solidarity March in London today- I saw estimates of 250k people on Sky. I think the strength of feeling is bigger than anyone realises - people just want peace and an end to the violence on both sides. People don’t want to watch thousands of children being blown up live on TV."

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I agree that there certainly is strength of feeling.

I would like to ask why do you think that there (except for at a Governmental level) was no solidarity or marches anywhere in the West in support of the 1200 killed in the immediate aftermath of the terrorist attack and before the Israelis retaliated. Such as we saw for example on the Black Lives Matter demonstrations after the death of George Floyd. Or why posters of the hostages in Gaza are regularly ripped down?

Often you can tell what people secretly think even if they don't explicitly say it but what they don't do and not just what they do.

I agree. They don't.

Many of the London-based Jewish people I follow on X are scared to leave their houses today.

I'd like to think that the vast majority of the demonstraters are simply concerned about loss of civilian life (although they didn't similarly protest about the Israeli lives lost), but it's obvious there is going to be a minority who will have more offensive ideas, and express them. It is inevitable that images and footage of that will show up on my X feed throughout the course of the afternoon.

I would like to ask why do you think that there (except for at a Governmental level) was no solidarity or marches anywhere in the West in support of the 1200 killed in the immediate aftermath of the terrorist attack and before the Israelis retaliated. Such as we saw for example on the Black Lives Matter demonstrations after the death of George Floyd. Or why posters of the hostages in Gaza are regularly ripped down?

@1dayatatime I think it’s because people feel that the situation is unfair - that the blockade on Gaza is outrageous & that the whole situation in palestine & Israel is not right. There haven’t been enough movements towards a 2 state solution & the whole situation with Settlers & land is really grim. That the international community don’t listen.

Many of the London-based Jewish people I follow on X are scared to leave their houses today @SomeCatFromJapan for what it’s worth, I think that’s outrageous too and not right.

Goods post, Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73

People in the West didn’t protest against the Hamas attack because that attack wasn’t sanctioned by the West. The disproportionate retaliation is.

Israel getting billions in military aid from
the West. Palestine is getting nothing.
THAT is what the protest is about.
this question makes me angry.

And I mean nothing - not even food or water at the moment.