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I understand why they are so set on destroying Hamas

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FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:10

Having seen the stories of the women and girls raped at the festival (reportedly over their dead friends bodies) and the people taken off as hostage; I understand why Israel want to destroy Hamas. They have said that Hamas militants are dead men. They have said that they will go after them. The worst killing of Jewish people since the Holocaust and their 9/11 with death toll of over 1300 people.

The story of the women at the Music and Peace festival is here -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623023/Israeli-girls-raped-friends-bodies-Hamas-terrorists-carried-second-Holocaust-British-relatives-reveal-condemn-celebrated-atrocities-Gaza-Iran-London.html

Yet some people celebrated when the killings of Jewish people (they were from many different countries) at the festival was announced.

I feel sadness for everything going on in the middle east and for all the people who are innocent are are dying. Terrorists need to be stopped.

Hamas 'carried out a second Holocaust' in Israel British relatives say

Two British nationals, Noam Sagi and Sharon Lifschitz (pictured), spoke of how their elderly parents were torn from their beds and forcibly deported to Gaza by Hamas along with children

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623023/Israeli-girls-raped-friends-bodies-Hamas-terrorists-carried-second-Holocaust-British-relatives-reveal-condemn-celebrated-atrocities-Gaza-Iran-London.html

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FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:21

"'On Saturday morning, the Kibbutz where I was born and grew up, woke up to a massacre - to a second Holocaust. Mostly young kids and old elderly people. They burned the place to the ground, shot the dogs. Nothing left.'
He told how the families living in the kibbutz were 'gassed, burned, slaughtered, killed and kidnapped'. "

It's no wonder the Israelis are wanting to end the terrorist group Hamas once and for all.

"'People who survived the Holocaust found themselves facing another one. One of the hostages was on the Kindertransport,' Noam, 53, said, referring to an operation to evacuate Jewish children from Nazi Germany. "

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FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:29

'Hamas... is a modern day death squad. They went door to door, snatched babies from their mothers and children from their beds and brutally, cold-bloodedly slaughtered them,' she said.
'Girls were raped over their friends' bodies, many survivors were kidnapped.
'These horrific acts were celebrated on the streets of Tehran, Gaza and even by some here in London.
'We have never before in Israel experienced such a traumatic event, which will take years, if not generations, to overcome.
'This is the biggest hostage crisis the world has faced in decades.'

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FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:31

Why has this story been reported and hidden?

This is merely reporting what has been said by families of hostages?

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KrisAkabusi · 12/10/2023 14:32

Is it worth starving, dehydrating and bombing hundreds of thousands of children to get Hamas?

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:33

A story in a British National Newspaper and yet MN want to check the story before they will allow it here!

What has MN become? Making the story disappear doesn't make it go away. These things have happened. They need to be heard so it doesn't keep happening!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623023/Israeli-girls-raped-friends-bodies-Hamas-terrorists-carried-second-Holocaust-British-relatives-reveal-condemn-celebrated-atrocities-Gaza-Iran-London.html#reader-comments

Hamas 'carried out a second Holocaust' in Israel British relatives say

Two British nationals, Noam Sagi and Sharon Lifschitz (pictured), spoke of how their elderly parents were torn from their beds and forcibly deported to Gaza by Hamas along with children

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623023/Israeli-girls-raped-friends-bodies-Hamas-terrorists-carried-second-Holocaust-British-relatives-reveal-condemn-celebrated-atrocities-Gaza-Iran-London.html#reader-comments

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HerMammy · 12/10/2023 14:33

Israel have already killed over 500 in retaliation, is that acceptable?

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:35

KrisAkabusi · 12/10/2023 14:32

Is it worth starving, dehydrating and bombing hundreds of thousands of children to get Hamas?

I wish the people of Gaza would give up the terrorists who live amongst them. The evil terrorists hide in schools, within the people of Gaza. I wish the people of Gaza could move out and the terrorists rounded up, if only it were possible.

Reporting a story because you don't like it doesn't help.

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ticketstickets · 12/10/2023 14:36

Israel are not retaliating. They do not want to kill little children, but the Hamas terrorists don't really seem to care about protecting their children. Israel actually gives ten minutes warning before they bomb a building, Hamas tell civilians to ignore the warnings.

andtheworldrollson · 12/10/2023 14:37

This is very one sided

Why don't you look up how many children were killed by Israeli soldiers last year ?

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:37

HerMammy · 12/10/2023 14:33

Israel have already killed over 500 in retaliation, is that acceptable?

If you baby was taken hostage, your daughter raped and killed would you say 'oh well move on'. Innocent people caught up in this are dying.

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andtheworldrollson · 12/10/2023 14:38

How the heck do you think Israel are not retaliating?

Isn't the long running death toll something like 1 Israeli to 10 Palestinians ?

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:39

ticketstickets · 12/10/2023 14:36

Israel are not retaliating. They do not want to kill little children, but the Hamas terrorists don't really seem to care about protecting their children. Israel actually gives ten minutes warning before they bomb a building, Hamas tell civilians to ignore the warnings.

Indeed - they give warnings! That's why there were so many on TV last night saying they have lost their homes and businesses. They were warned and they got out.

Hamas gave no warning and attacked people at a festival and killed approximately 200 there of all nationalities and then took hostages of others.

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Mustardseed86 · 12/10/2023 14:39

That's about my view on it. Any innocent people's deaths are a terrible price but I literally don't have a clue how else they will destroy Hamas, who 100% knew what the response would be.

A2304 · 12/10/2023 14:40

What has Israel been doing to Palestine for the last 15 years , have you looked that up...

KeepTheTempo · 12/10/2023 14:40

Over six million Jewish people were killed in the Holocaust. Those targeted were chosen due to their religious and cultural identity not their nationality.

Hamas has undoubtedly perpetrated an atrocity, with horrendous acts made even worse by being funded by international aid. But it is cynical and incorrect to liken it to the Holocaust. Not least when already 260 children have been killed in the last few days by Israelis in retaliation, but also over recent years, where the UN and Red Cross have been clear that Israeli actions are against the Geneva Conventions and themselves fuelled more violence.

This whole situation is tragic and complex beyond anyone posting partisan messages on here.

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:42

Mustardseed86 · 12/10/2023 14:39

That's about my view on it. Any innocent people's deaths are a terrible price but I literally don't have a clue how else they will destroy Hamas, who 100% knew what the response would be.

I agree. Hamas need to be stopped.

Al Qaida needed to be stopped.

Hizbullah etc need to be stopped.

Should Israel just say 'oh well' and carry on. They have grown in strength over the years and launched 5000 miles on the night of the festival slaughter - they are funded and armed by Iran and others.

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DoItAgainPlz · 12/10/2023 14:42

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andtheworldrollson · 12/10/2023 14:43

there have been a number of recent posts where the lives of Jewish people are valued by the poster more highly than others; where Hamas is blamed 100% for the deaths of Palestinians

If you want to win support for your case - that attitude really makes me despair / despise your point of view

To the point where i wonder if sone of the posts are actually reverses made to spread antisemitism

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:43

KeepTheTempo · 12/10/2023 14:40

Over six million Jewish people were killed in the Holocaust. Those targeted were chosen due to their religious and cultural identity not their nationality.

Hamas has undoubtedly perpetrated an atrocity, with horrendous acts made even worse by being funded by international aid. But it is cynical and incorrect to liken it to the Holocaust. Not least when already 260 children have been killed in the last few days by Israelis in retaliation, but also over recent years, where the UN and Red Cross have been clear that Israeli actions are against the Geneva Conventions and themselves fuelled more violence.

This whole situation is tragic and complex beyond anyone posting partisan messages on here.

Jewish people themselves have said it's like a second holocaust - not me. It's the words the families of the victims have used.

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DoItAgainPlz · 12/10/2023 14:44

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CrochetCuddles · 12/10/2023 14:46

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:31

Why has this story been reported and hidden?

This is merely reporting what has been said by families of hostages?

What do you mean reported and hidden?

I've seen it on MN alone multiple times.

I see a lot of deletions in the comments and replies and sometimes things are hidden while they check a poster out, but that happens a lot on other news events too.

FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:48

A2304 · 12/10/2023 14:40

What has Israel been doing to Palestine for the last 15 years , have you looked that up...

Each time Hamas launch rockets at them they fight back.

Hamaz are a terrorist group. Some people in the UK support them and want them to succeed in their AIM of wiping out Jewish people.

Some support Russia. Some support Al Qaida.

If Palestine could sit with Israel and denounce terrorists and they could come up with a solution - high unlikely at present but who knows Tony Blair negotiated with the IRA for the Good Friday agreement. Otherwise innocents from both countries will die.

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FebruaryOnMyMind · 12/10/2023 14:49

CrochetCuddles · 12/10/2023 14:46

What do you mean reported and hidden?

I've seen it on MN alone multiple times.

I see a lot of deletions in the comments and replies and sometimes things are hidden while they check a poster out, but that happens a lot on other news events too.

The second comment I made was reported and had to be checked out. It was merely sharing a story a British newspaper ran about the rapes of women over the dead bodies of their friends as reported and I said no wonder they are angry.

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KrisAkabusi · 12/10/2023 14:57

ticketstickets · 12/10/2023 14:36

Israel are not retaliating. They do not want to kill little children, but the Hamas terrorists don't really seem to care about protecting their children. Israel actually gives ten minutes warning before they bomb a building, Hamas tell civilians to ignore the warnings.

How do you give a ten minute warning to a city that has no electricity? So nobody watching TV, listening to radio or with a charged phone?

KrisAkabusi · 12/10/2023 15:00

ticketstickets · 12/10/2023 14:36

Israel are not retaliating. They do not want to kill little children, but the Hamas terrorists don't really seem to care about protecting their children. Israel actually gives ten minutes warning before they bomb a building, Hamas tell civilians to ignore the warnings.

I would also point out that on the first day of Israeli retaliation that they told civilians that a UN school was a safe area to go to and then bombed the school!